Opinions on Fausto Coppis

put an aerospoke on that coppi and 99% of ninja's ain't going to notice the seat tube angle

oh & I'm a bit dissapointed about the wheel clearance on the black one

I reckon you could get a fag paper or two in there

a white aerospoke would make that coppi sweet

the-smiling-buddha put an aerospoke on that coppi and 99% of ninja's ain't going to notice the seat tube angle

oh & I'm a bit dissapointed about the wheel clearance on the black one

I reckon you could get a fag paper or two in there

26" wheel is where dis at holmes, with 700c it's close ;)

is that the track wheel standard 26inches

are you American dogsballs because I kinda half live in Chicago

I take it that is 'no' I am not an American but I like to talk like one

dogsballs the whole point of this, is that they are not track frames. they are road bikes with track ends. i don't give a flying fuck about if someone rides with a brake or likes to tour the country side. In my mind it is merely false advertising on behalf of BLB, to once more fleece hipsters of there ££££'s. Fair enough charge the big ££££ for rare track frames, but don't with road frames with track ends.

But if BLB are selling brand new, lugged (and columbus by the looks of it) Fausto Coppi frames then they're an alright price at £350 regardless of whether they've got track ends, rack braze ons, spoke holders, derailleur tabs or whatever. It would be less of a good deal if they were hacked and resprayed second hand frames, but it seems like they're not.

BTW - what is a "track frame"? Do bareknuckles count even though they're drilled front and back? Do pursuit bikes count even though they have relatively slack headtubes to match the aerobars and lower BBs than some road bikes?

the-smiling-buddha put an aerospoke on that coppiand 99% of ninja's ain't going to notice the seat tube angle

Can you please explain the st angle, what's wrong with it?

Momentum [quote]dogsballs the whole point of this, is that they are not track frames. they are road bikes with track ends. i don't give a flying fuck about if someone rides with a brake or likes to tour the country side. In my mind it is merely false advertising on behalf of BLB, to once more fleece hipsters of there ££££'s. Fair enough charge the big ££££ for rare track frames, but don't with road frames with track ends.

But if BLB are selling brand new, lugged (and columbus by the looks of it) Fausto Coppi frames then they're an alright price at £350 regardless of whether they've got track ends, rack braze ons, spoke holders, derailleur tabs or whatever. It would be less of a good deal if they were hacked and resprayed second hand frames, but it seems like they're not.

BTW - what is a "track frame"? Do bareknuckles count even though they're drilled front and back? Do pursuit bikes count even though they have relatively slack headtubes to match the aerobars and lower BBs than some road bikes?[/quote]

Ahh... Yes, this is when you get into the different disciplines of track racing!

I would say that bareknuckles and the like are the modern representation of old 'road-path' frames. Comfortable enough to ride to the track and aggressive enough to race in novice/intermediate races.
Maybe pistonator's Coppi could fall into that category as a 'high-end modern road-path' frame? Which £350 would be a reasonable price.

true those frames would be fine for £350, but i doubt pistanators was that cheap. care to enlighten us or keep it to yourself, pistanator?!?

there is NOTHING WRONG with your bike pistinator

the angle of the seat tube determines where you body needs to be to power into the pedals

for short fast sprints at the track

your body is up forward out of the saddle and over the pedals

this means a steep seat tube

fast acceleration also required at the track means a small rear triangle

if you look at the Cervelo this is why the rear wheel is actualy inside the frame

on steel bikes a steep seat sube with small rear triangle will mean very little clearance between rear wheel and frame

now ride a track bike in traffic

and it is blindingly fast and manoureable over short distance i.e between the lights

ride it to Brighton and it can becomes a little bit tiring

for longer distance you want to sit down

which means to get full power into the pedals you have to sit behind them not stand over them

your Coppi has an inch or two clearance between the rear wheel and the seat tube

so it looks as if the frame builder has compromised balls out acceleration for a little comfort

dogsballs true those frames would be fine for £350, but i doubt pistanators was that cheap. care to enlighten us or keep it to yourself, pistanator?!?

Read the first page....

a bareknuckle at hubjub is £360 so that Coppi is about right

incidently anything Italian is #cool# just because it's Italian

I reckon pistonator comes out with kudos just for having the name 'Coppi' on his frame

Atleast I'm not a 'COPPI'cat! Boooom Boooom Tish!

I'll get my coat.....;-)

BTW anything Italian is not cool. I work in fashion sales and I have to sell Italian made shite....

I am sorry BUT italians make beautiful things, they might fall apart, but who cares just so long as they are beautiful

the-smiling-buddha
the angle of the seat tube determines where you body needs to be to power into the pedals
for short fast sprints at the track
your body is up forward out of the saddle and over the pedals
this means a steep seat tube
fast acceleration also required at the track means a small rear triangle
if you look at the Cervelo this is why the rear wheel is actualy inside the frame
on steel bikes a steep seat sube with small rear triangle will mean very little clearance between rear wheel and frame
now ride a track bike in traffic
and it is blindingly fast and manoureable over short distance i.e between the lights

OK, that helps, thanks for that, anyone want to explain the reason why so many fetishise track ends, must be more than hispter fashion, no?

track ends allow you to tension the chain

And remind you of the BMX you had as a kid.

the-smiling-buddha track ends allow you to tension the chain

but so do horizontal drops, any other reason?

bigben
OK, that helps, thanks for that, anyone want to explain the reason why so many fetishise track ends, must be more than hispter fashion, no?

On the track they're good because:

• they're exactly horizontal so moving the wheel backwards and forwards as you change gear doesn't affect the bike's angles
  
• they let you get the back wheel as close to the ST as possible which gives sharper handling and slightly improves aerodynamics (hence why some TT bikes have trackends and a derailleur hanger)
  
• there's no need for quick puncture repairs on the track so not much pressure to use other styles of dropouts
  
• trackies are traditionalists and fairly resistant to change (eg still using 1/8" chains)
  
• it's easier to use chain tugs to resist the awesome power of trackies (I just made this one up).
  
  

On the road:

• mainly hipster fashion. Same reason why you see bikes with unfeasibly deep drops with keirin grips and a huge saddle-bar drop.
  
• might allow a slightly tighter back end (although I doubt it's noticeable)
  
• makes changing punctures harder if you have mudguards
  
• makes rear brake adjustment harder (if you have one)
  

What Momentum said.

In my words...
The 'fetishization' of track ends is definitely down to cool-factor. old-style long forward facing dropouts are ideal for road going singlespeeds (freewheel and fixedwheel). Ever tried to adjust chaintension on a freewheel with trackends only to have to then adjust your brake reach or run out of room under your mudguard on your fixedwheel?
If you must have trackends they should be angled for this reason a'la Rivendell.

All this goes out the window when coolness and aesthetics comes into play.

track ends are level, your wheel remains straight in the drop outs.

the forward facing ones are angled, and you have an out of track wheel if they are even a tiny bit uneven, they're shite on some older bikes.

I've used both, for long enough to prefer track ends on my bike. the availability of chain tugs is also an issue.

BMXs have track ends, no one suggests they should be used at a velodrome.

My preference is for tight road geometry, with track ends for a fixed wheel.

the only problem is mudguards and rear brakes, but I don't use either of those.

dogsballs
you can all fuck yourself, especially rpm :p

tetchy..

I know why Sir Les Patterson says "Never trust a bloke who doesn't drink"

the-smiling-buddha I wish you hadn't shown me that '58 mercian

I already own three bikes and have a de Rosa roadbike to build

but that 1958 could be really lovely bike

c'mon, hands off! i'm bidding on that baby. you've got four already!

aha for anyone who said that advertising coppi as a track frame is misinformation.......maybe......what about condor pista......as in condor track???? as in road geometry????? as in misinformation as in oh my god we have to point that out and demand public apology or public hanging.......