Opinions on Fausto Coppis

hey i know what those words mean just because i'm old. have a pension and buy wine by the case doesn't mean i'm not a streetwise dude who's down wiv da kidz man.

cool well wierdly thats pretty much the perfect answer for me, I was shopping for the coppi as a bike i could take on longer rides etc as i thought that a bareknuckle might be a bit too 'track like' for long rides. Thanks broken

It wasnt for your benefit mr.smith, pistanator seems to have trouble with all this gangster speak :)

yep the frames are not road frames chopped and brazed ...but made outta new tubes boxed in the factory.........
and yeah....i dont really understand having a lower bottom bracket...........but then im not the one who owns the shop and pays for it;-)......and yeah their idea of a bike and my idea of a bike are quite different.......

and on the side note......if i buy a frame form a shop or someone locally...i always slap some wheels on before and check the BB height.......as well as measuring the distance from the centree of bottom bracket to the centre of fornt dropouts to make sure how much of an overlap there is gonna be..........165 cranks, L size cages, 23 tyres......57.43 MM no overlap at all....fag paper clearance.....-)...and im not a nerd:-)

this is my opinion

the fag paper Keirin look has been done to death

traditional English track frames like JOL's

are classy and look beautiful and for the city are the way to go

having been a courier riding all year round in all weathers racing all comers in traffic

I'll take a safety brake

but then having ridden a track bike further and further from the city

there comes a point when the geometry starts to matter

on my mercian the seat tube at 73 has one degree of slack compared to my bareknuckle 72

you would be amazed how much a difference that makes riding 50 miles plus

that Coppi has roughly the same geometry

that means it has a little Town & Country about it

I hardly see any problem with that

+1
And this talk of 'purist' meaning no-brakes is fscking stupid.

Track bikes on a track is the only real time to be concerned with that form of purist arseholishness. Safety bikes, path bikes, etc (ie the original fscking-road use fixed gears (wheels)) had brakes, SO that is technically pure- isn't it?

(I'll admit that my beater doesn't have a brake- because I can control it, and because its used for quick easy commutes- every other bike i own does- and I wouldn't change that for anything).

whats a path bike...? I am all curious now

something like this

Technically I should have said Road/Path. And as this article from our very own forum explains:

*    CommentAuthorTris
* CommentTimeJan 2nd 2008

Path is the old name for the track, so a road/path bike is like dual purpose: lower bottom bracket, slacker angles, more clearance, but track ends. Nice frame, lovely lugwork.

Which is in reference to this lovely bike:

EDIT:
I should end by saying- I just want people to enjoy riding, and not be judged for not being 'purist' when they sensibly add a brake. I just don't understand the need for the judging, it doesn't make anyone feel better. And it is cuntish.

that is where I was going in my head with my mercian

a fixed wheel town & country bike

I wish you hadn't shown me that '58 mercian

I already own three bikes and have a de Rosa roadbike to build

but that 1958 could be really lovely bike

Its lovely- I've been watching it for a while, but too big.
:(

the whole point of this, is that they are not track frames. they are road bikes with track ends. i don't give a flying fuck about if someone rides with a brake or likes to tour the country side. In my mind it is merely false advertising on behalf of BLB, to once more fleece hipsters of there ££££'s. Fair enough charge the big ££££ for rare track frames, but don't with road frames with track ends.

my 2p, so you can all fuck yourself, especially rpm :p

If that is true- and my knowledge of bike geometry is only really good enough to recognise the obvious differences- Then yeah BLB should be ashamed.

I was just taking issue with the purist argument.

EDIT: Ah, Fuck it, I don't care- I don't use BLB, ever since being put off by them the first time i stepped foot in there.

dogsballs I hate to point out the bleedin obvious but this is a track frame

the-smiling-buddha

dogsballs I hate to point out the bleedin obvious but this is a track frame

and.............

So is this.. and?

and this ...

OK, dumb question time so don't shoot me:
I understand the handling differences between an out and out track frame and a frame with road bike geometry. Further, a "traditional" road/path frame has more road orientated geometry but track ends, so am I right in thinking that the drops/ends would be the primary difference between a road bike converted to fixed (especially one without lazy geometry) and a traditional road/path (as opposed to track) bike? If this is correct, then will someone explain what the big advantage is with track ends? I'm guessing that with both types tensioning the chain will alter the wheelbase a tiny tiny bit, but that track ends mean that the BB height will stay constant but is there more to it? Cheers.

was the Coppi sold as a 'track frame' then, because if it was you'd have to be stupid to buy it for 'the track'

the-smiling-buddha was the Coppi sold as a 'track frame' then, because if it was you'd have to be stupid to buy it for 'the track'

my point!!

I know- and if so, its another cross for what has already been labeled a pretty dodge shop.

Like I said, I like it, I bought it and I'm ONLY gonna ride it on the road! I was never told it was a track frame or a road frame. I picked it off the rail, liked it and bought it. Nuff said....

I dunno fleecing 'hipsters' sounds like fun to me

whatcha talking about willis? :p

this aint a hipster bike!

dogsballs is you a hipster.?

5/25, dunno?!?

although i ride these