Joyrider

chris crash [quote]asm [quote]hassanr [quote]asm As an art student I hereby demand that this thread is permanently erased and that nobody speaks of it ever again.

It isn't your job to rationalise the tangled mess of subjectivity that somehow manages to survive destruction by existing under the term 'art', it's mine!!

no way, that is EXACTLY my job. artists create said art, but once it has been made/published/shown any interpretation of the art is almost entirely out of his/her hands. a good artist will be able to communicate their ideas well enough that it won't be mangled in the transition. art historians/critics/theorists will often take an artists intent into account to a certain degree, but they are in no way restricted to such an interpretation.[/quote]

I actually agree with that, I just resent the fact that art school forces me to justify what i do. (I have an essay due in a week, its fucking me off). when I go to an art gallery (which is practically never unless there's free beer involved), I don't give a toss why the artist made what they made (sometimes the how interests me), i take it at face value and learn something from it like that. I hate art theory (I hate the fact that art theory is a misnomer... theory = hypothesis = rational judgement based in objectivity, and art is neither rational nor objective).[/quote]

exactly why art should be based on astectics alone, and intellectualized by technique and another discipline needs to be crated for statements, that can be intellectualized by theories and logic

asm in that statement basically agrees with me.[/quote]
that would be a formalist argument.
but why such division? isn't most (all?) of the interesting aspects of art in the marriage between those fields in how the aesthetics can forward an idea, or how and concept drives the visual presentation? for example, warhol's soup cans (to me) would be exceptionally dull if it weren't for the conceptual connection made about the commodity of art (lifting a 'common' object found in the local corner shop to the heights of fine art by placing them withing the gallery context, and then degrading the gallery and recommodifying the objects by placing them on shelves), and they wouldn't be nearly as effective if they themselves weren't extremely carefully hand painted to exact detail.
there is a lot of joy found in the 'deeper' aspects of art (though i thoroughly agree that there are a whole lot of artists that are absolutely full of wank).