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wow thanks hippy for the link just realised that zaffiros have only 26tpi! i've used one on the back and went through it within a month of skidding. it's cheap, but rubinos are obviously better at 60tpi/pros at 120. kept at proper pressure i've only had 1 puncture with the zaffiro (almost skidded thru), none with rubinos.
i've used a conti ultrasport it was much thicker than the zaffiro but didn't actually last any longer than that.
now i have a really old panaracer stradius on my hack bike it seems to last forever no matter how i skid. probably the rain is saving the rubber from too much abrasion?