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i guess so, but its only right that he doesnt go.
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look man, I'm going to be kind here:
If you want to pitch something exciting and cool and involving bikes to a mens lifestyle magazine, do something on BMX racing, or downhill or 4X.
not only will the pics be great, but the sport helps out kids at grass roots level (esp. bmx).
that sort of publication sells to middle class/rich boys who probably already do snowboarding and motor racing, it's another angle and might work but also promote cycling
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I think the least you should do (if you haven't already) is to ask the organiser if he minds you turning up at his event......I believe that this is perfectly normal for most sporting events is it not???
As an organiser of Rollapaluza, I would say that we consider it usual for journalists to contact us in advance of events and all pro photographers to arrange permission in advance or at least make themselves known on the night....in fact we will have journalists from a well-respected cycling publication at Rollapalpuza on the 25th, they have been in contact with us for over three months and as such we are more than happy to grant them interview time and photoshoot before the main event.
As Joel points out Movingtarget will be the forum to track down the organisers.
Some people on this forum are getting a little tired of people selling things, doing coroporate "research" and other commercial stuff, especially if it is their first post.
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As far as Rollapaluza is concerned, we are more than happy with all spectators, amateur and student photographers, taking as many photos / movies as they wish.....in fact we welcome it and in return most people we approach if we like their photos are more than happy for us to use them.....
Professional journalists and photographers working for major publications that people pay for is different and luckily most professionals are exactly that and contact us in advance.
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danger joel i guess so, but its only right that he doesnt go.
You mean it's *not *a good idea to have a story about alleycats in Maxim, as that will most likely encourage a bunch of clueless breast-obsessed morons to turn up to the next race, because they are too daft to realise that dashing through London traffic on a bike is a bit dangerous; and they think that everything's a 'piece of piss', like professional football obviously is; and at least one of them will end up in hospital or worse, prompting the police to crack down hard on 'illegal street racing'?
Why not?
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Jos FUCK OFF ! is the only thing I would have to say if you want to bring it in an "'this is exciting, dangerous, crazy dash through the heart of london traffic" kinda way.
Not joking. Especially if it is for MAXIM. Don't even ask those fucking questions here, 99.9% of the forum users have nothing to do with an alleycat in general or this one specifically.
Ps. Choose a bit more of an original thing to write about.
Damn right (and I'm one of the 99.9%).
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turpe [quote]danger joel i guess so, but its only right that he doesnt go.
You mean it's *not *a good idea to have a story about alleycats in Maxim, as that will most likely encourage a bunch of clueless breast-obsessed morons to turn up to the next race, because they are too daft to realise that dashing through London traffic on a bike is a bit dangerous; and they think that everything's a 'piece of piss', like professional football obviously is; and at least one of them will end up in hospital or worse, prompting the police to crack down hard on 'illegal street racing'?
Why not?[/quote]
yeah that mainly why i said that, also i think that alley cats are essentially for messengers, i am not a messenger at the moment so dont think that i should enter. i did 4 weeks courioring in the summer ( i know i should have done more or whatever, but i was only 17 then and had to go back to college a the end of it) and really liked it, there was an alleycat durin that time but i didnt feel like i knew the streets enough so dint enter. if i do some more messengering again then i will probably enter them then, but until that point all i will do is hone my street knowledge and cycling skills.
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Winston as a professional I would've contacted the organisers in advance and not just shown up, but I just wanted to test out the ground really see what people thought and obviously people are less than enthusiastic which is all good - I'll happily do something else.
Also I'm sorry this is my first post and I'm asking for stuff straight off but the opportunity just came up, and this is a subject I'm personally interested in so thought I'd have an ask of a few things and see if people were enthusiastic about the idea. Just some pre-research before deciding to write something.
The fact is mainstream media are going to be picking up on a fixed gear culture that is, like it or not, seeping more and more into the mainstream itself.
I'd just read an article in one of the Daily Mail magazines for fucks sake - the DAILY MAIL. The reason I wanted to look at an alleycat and perhaps speak to messengers involved is that at least these people are verifiably at the forefront and centre of something and can give the reader an understanding of something that is beginning to resonate more widely. That might piss some people off as the culture becomes more thinly spread, widely covered, raped by ad men and diluted and corporatised. Others might see it as a compliment. Or you might just not give a shit.I would've tried to genuinely reflect what I found at the event - what people get out of, why they do it. I think though I'll cover something a little less hostile though.
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mongrel
The reason I wanted to look at an alleycat and perhaps speak to messengers involved is that at least these people are verifiably at the forefront and centre of somethingthey are indeed at the forefront of being bicycle couriers, and some of them race alleycats.
this has, however, got fuck all to do with this "fixie culture" because that is purely a creation of the cretinous media
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mongrel, bad luck mate !
I am one of the few (only!?) who doesn't go into moral apoplexy at the idea that a magazine (I may or may not like) doing a piece on an aspect of cycling culture.
You could, of course, have simply grabbed a few male models with lovely hair, nice tight trousers, the 'right' shoes and £260 cycling bags - stuck them on off-the-shelf bikes loaned to you for promotional reasons, you could then have gone out of your way to do zero research and even write up a disparaging and inaccurate piece. You would have needed no permission from anyone nor would you have needed to seek people's input.
That would have been fine.
Your mistake:
You seemed to have done some research (at least enough to end up here) You would have appeared to have attempted to involve people knowledgeable in this area, people who have perhaps done an alley cat, you made the dreadful mistake of even appearing to get permission or seek peoples views on this piece. Worst of all you are a cyclist with a fixed wheel bike, and if things are as bad as I think you even ride it !
Similarly as people's moral outrage - at first time posters attempting to so rudely sell people here a secondhand front wheel without first taking everyone on the forum out for a meal and getting to know them - drives people to sell elsewhere allowing forum members here to shop at Chainreaction, Evans and Wiggle with their cognitive dissonance intact - you should have left this kind of journalism to uninformed and uninterested Evening Standard and Daily Mail writers who can very capably lift a lifestyle gloss from half an hour's Googling.
I think that would sit better with the more officious standard bearers and moral defenders of 'the scene' ;P
Like I said bad fucking luck ! :)
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tynan mongrel, bad luck mate !
I am one of the few (only!?) who doesn't go into moral apoplexy at the idea that a magazine (I may or may not like) doing a piece on an aspect of cycling culture.
You could, of course, have simply grabbed a few male models with lovely hair, nice tight trousers, the 'right' shoes and £260 cycling bags - stuck them on off-the-shelf bikes loaned to you for promotional reasons, you could then have gone out of your way to do zero research and even write up a disparaging and inaccurate piece. You would have needed no permission from anyone nor would you have needed to seek people's input.
That would have been fine.
Your mistake:
You seemed to have done some research (at least enough to end up here) You would have appeared to have attempted to involve people knowledgeable in this area, people who have perhaps done an alley cat, you made the dreadful mistake of even appearing to get permission or seek peoples views on this piece. Worst of all you are a cyclist with a fixed wheel bike, and if things are as bad as I think you even ride it !
Similarly as people's moral outrage - at first time posters attempting to so rudely sell people here a secondhand front wheel without first taking everyone on the forum out for a meal and getting to know them - drives people to sell elsewhere allowing forum members here to shop at Chainreaction, Evans and Wiggle with their cognitive dissonance intact - you should have left this kind of journalism to uninformed and uninterested Evening Standard and Daily Mail writers who can very capably lift a lifestyle gloss from half an hour's Googling.
I think that would sit better with the more officious standard bearers and moral defenders of 'the scene' ;P
Like I said bad fucking luck ! :)
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wonder if he would get the same response on mt?