Climate Change March

Given that some of you must be close to carbon neutral with your pedal power and might be interested in anti climate change march today in London

http://www.campaigncc.org/

i was there today with the autonomouse bloc. was a bit wet on the way there but stayed pretty dry from 1230 till about 1600 when i left grovsnor square, pretty uneventful but it was good to see sooo many people there considering it was so wet! there must have been over 500 people there, probably more.

I did the cycle ride this morning from Lincoln Fields @ 10am it was fuckin evil.puncture just before P square,cold not many bikes
and hardly suprising ........Velo.

yeah, i was meant to go to that as well but i woke p at 11 30 and so missed it all together.

unfortunately i got to grovesnor sq later in the afternoon and had the last hour there.

i thought the turnout was a bit disappointing - shame really on such an important issue.

yeah i thought there would be more fixie people / cyclists generally there.

but the guys banging the drums were good. they make a well good sound. really atmospheric.

phil

i thought the turnout was a bit disappointing - shame really on such an important issue.

you're right, but I didn't even hear about it till late last night

yo dude

try geen peace and friends ut earth websites etc.

phil, there were plenty of people on the march but many let as soon as it got to grovesnor square. i know what you mean about turnout at grovesnor square, but when you see the pics of the march youll see there was more than enough people.
also, the way that government ministers look at marches is this, for every person that came, 20 others thought about coming.

time to resurrect this thread, i guess... there's another climate march tomorrow, which includes an "emergency bike ride" to which the LCC has organised some feeder bike rides. i'm thinking on going on one of these - but will almost definitely be at the march in any case. and, afterwards, climate camp are organising a "COP OUT CAMP OUT" action in the city - they suggest bringing "a tent and warm clothes because this time we're deffinately staying."

see you there?

I am sure the numbers will be low for these marches, bad weather predicted, a decent chance that the police will imprison the protesters for a whole day if they deem the numbers to be too high - and the ever present threat of having your head smacked about by some state goon.

Haven't you heard about "Climategate"? This whole global warming thing is a sham, some emails say so.

buys hummer

It certainly makes interesting reading- and in many ways is the smoking gun for climate change sceptics.

One of the most interesting things to come out of it was the complete failure of the peer review system when it came to climate change papers- some of which were based on, shall we say "questionable" info.

Actually we may as well go ahead and call it what it is- made up info.

Absense of evidence* isn't the same as evidence of absense*...

...unfortunately the media doesn't exactly work like that.

(* of climate change)

time to resurrect this thread, i guess... there's another climate march tomorrow, which includes an "emergency bike ride" to which the LCC has organised some feeder bike rides. i'm thinking on going on one of these - but will almost definitely be at the march in any case. and, afterwards, climate camp are organising a "COP OUT CAMP OUT" action in the city - they suggest bringing "a tent and warm clothes because this time we're deffinately staying."

see you there?

thers quite a lot of riders from Sheffield and Bristol I know going to be there,
will be supporting their efforts which have already this week been sterling.
fuck camping in London anytime, but will be at Lincolns Inn fields for the ride to Westminster, and a bit of the march.

as to who REALLY knows about whats going on? this one will run and run, and hasn already on other threads that i cant be arsed to dig up.

more Balki please............

One of the most interesting things to come out of it was the complete failure of the peer review system when it came to climate change papers-

I wouldn't say that from what I understand it was some email within a research group, so that's not a failure of peer review, as the peers would not be in on it. Also I'm not sure exactly what was covered up, was it most of the data was showing what they wanted but their were a few erroneous bits? These bits then removed to make any argument clearer? If so then it's a bit dodgy but hardly a scam. Or is it completly swapping the results around type corruption? I expect it's more the first case. Remember there are plenty of other data sets and other studies. The papers have not been very clear it's typical sensationalists reporting.

I think the problem with climate change science is that due to the incredible influence and incredible vested interest by so many big companies, and countries plus the attitude of people that any change in lifestyle is bad plus the opinion of so many people that the future should be like the present but more so that it allows no room for error in CC science. If the argument for climate change is not absolutely prefect in each paper all the media and other organisations jump up and down and say it must therefore be false despite the fact that their counter argument are frequently on very dodgy ground. If a paper came out tomorrow with the result 90% chance CC in man made with exceptional results the papers would say "Climate change scientists have doubts CC is man made"

Science rarely gives perfect results. Some errors in data and non perfect results which in another area of science would be deemed to be acceptable are all of a sudden not in CC. The fear of the CC counter argument that seem to revolve around, "Your theory is not 100% perfect therefore our theory must be correct (despite the fact our theory has many many more problems with it"). It's such a political subject now.

Well, I think one of the things I have the biggest problem with is that they took the climate data, ran it through an algorithm of their own invention as it was not telling them what they wanted, then deleted the original data.

Surely it's not science if you cannot repeat the experiment?

The Conspiracy Theory Thread is over there. ----->

;)

(Disclaimer: I don't understand climate science.)

^^If climate change brings dirty hippies back then I'm definitely against it.

"What an asshole"

Best line ever on Newsnight !

:)

I thought that's what he said, to be fair he was right though!

haha yeah he deff said it, about 13.30 min

The Prof offers us his review of the flat-earther Morano right at the end of this clip:

YouTube- What an Asshole !

^^^Ha, classic. The professor does makes very good objective points unlike the other fella who just seems to ramble on with he said she said type arguments.

Even if the climate change thing was to turn out to be a load of baloney, the side effect of all the initatives being put into practice is that we use what we have more efficiently, and make our impact on the planet as small as possible. The world has a finite amount of resources, as it is a finite place. The reason we can live here in the first place is because all these resources exist. Any tribal society knows this all too well, and anyone who discounts the knowledge of such peoples is a fool. The old slash and burn colonialist mentality is simply not sustainable with over 6 billion of us living on this planet.