A favour: Spoke lengths please...

Hello there, trying to find what length spokes i need to buy for my 32h phil wood single-sided track hub (120mm spaced) to lace it to my deep v. I've tried the excel spreadsheet, but i have a mac and i'm running openoffice which doesnt seem to support the macros in the spocalc sheet. I've tried the other spoke calculators listed on sheldon brown's page but NONE OF THEM WORK for some reason. So could someone do me a favour and find out (OR point me in the direction of a different spoke calculator)?

thanks.

While you're at it, Phil 36 hole high flange front and flip/flop rear to CXP33s would be useful.

"Phil Wood track rear, large flange" on CXP33 36 spokes 3 cross is

left:285.9mm right:284.1mm

"Phil Wood track rear, large flange" as listed on Spocalc is single sided, so for a double sided hub it would be 284mm both sides.

Front track LF is not listed, but should be same as rear right. Sorry not sure what rim is "deep v", also need to know whether large or small flange.

There is a spocalc for openoffice (free!) it has a fancy-schmancy toolbar thing.
http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.sherman/bike.html

ahh, nicely found provenrad!

Thanks to d0cA for being smart :)

i was a little bored yesterday and relaced an old 36 miche low flange hub to 3 leading 3 trailing, about 2/3 of the spokes ended up poking back into the rim, nothing a bit of filing didn't fix. so if you are doing 3 lead 3 trail get shorter spokes ;)

http://www.wheelpro.co.uk/spokecalc/

dogsballs i was a little bored yesterday and relaced an old 36 miche low flange hub to 3 leading 3 trailing, about 2/3 of the spokes ended up poking back into the rim, nothing a bit of filing didn't fix. so if you are doing 3 lead 3 trail get shorter spokes ;)

I reckon with 3l3t it all depends how you lace them. If you only lace the outer spokes of each group of 3 you may find that some spokes seem a bit long. I did a thorough job of lacing my 3l3t and crossed the spokes as per http://www.terminalvelocity.demon.co.uk/WheelBuild/ I found that the spokes all ended up about the same distance through the nipples.

Here is the lacing pic from "terminalvelocity" ...

yeah exactly the same as in pics. i think a) the spokes i re-used were different to start with, OR more likely b) i was one hole out on oneside even though i checked, OR c) i was using a R handed hub on L handed rim.

Whats the effective rim size of a Deep V so I can calculate for it to a Formula hub? Or if someone has done this and can tell me the spoke lengths for front and rear (are the flanges the same size) off the top of their head that would be amazing.

Thankyou thankyou!
EDIT
Or can anyone tell me if this is right?

* Formula 32H sealed-bearing flip flop hub 120mm black
* Velocity Deep V 32H (Non-Machined)
* 3 Cross Pattern

      o Spokes for the Rear Fixed Side = 16 x 280mm
      o Spokes for the Rear Free Side = 16 x 280mm

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Jake Whats the effective rim size of a Deep V so I can calculate for it to a Formula hub? Or if someone has done this and can tell me the spoke lengths for front and rear (are the flanges the same size) off the top of their head that would be amazing.

Thankyou thankyou!
EDIT
Or can anyone tell me if this is right?

* Formula 32H sealed-bearing flip flop hub 120mm black
* Velocity Deep V 32H (Non-Machined)
* 3 Cross Pattern

      o Spokes for the Rear Fixed Side = 16 x 280mm
      o Spokes for the Rear Free Side = 16 x 280mm

yeah 280-2mm normal lacing, or 260-2mm for radial on front

Alex, you still coming by for the wheel build Friday?

has anyone tried a normal style of lacing but doing 2 spokes side by side, so technically not a 2lead 2 trail, but more like 2 cross. on a 32H rim??

like this (this was a 40H rim, but should work on 32H)

I'm gonna build up a Phil High Flange front, with a deepv, radial spoked, It'll be my first wheel build, so thought I'd start simple.

Anyway, when searching around, I found that I needed to know some terminology to get the data I needed.

For the spoke nipple diameter of the rim, search for "[rimName] ERD"

So, phil high flange front to deepv radial should be 258.2mm both side according to that calc