Help a guy out...

i think thats why there's a law in place.

aidan i think thats why there's a law in place.

The law fails cyclists. It is a poor way to handle these situations.

as appose to the way he did handle it...obviously the better option.

who did the tee? like the graphics. as a fellow canuck i might have to buy one! bmw's bug me the most. bentley drivers are the best!

aidan as appose to the way he did handle it...obviously the better option.

Then we agree.

aidan but i do know if i act in a violent way that im going to have to pay the consequences...which in this case the person is relying on the sale of shirts to stop him being deported...fuck that!

Ryan isn't relying on the sale of the shirts - House of Pistard is printing them as a gesture and the rest of us are buying them to help him out of a sticky situation. As I said in my post (which you obviously haven't read), I don't condone what he did. It was a dumb thing to do. If you want to, you can see the image as glorifying violence. I think it's a witty response that will appeal to people and make them more likely to buy the shirts.

But he's a mate, and I don't want to see him get deported because of a moment that he regrets. The driver was just as culpable, but came off slightly worse.

Guys I know we`ve all come across idiot drivers, but imagine that multiplied tenfold.

Its very easy to "turn the cheeck", "rise above it" etc on your commute or a weekend clubrun, but believe me after 8 or 9 hours of w*nker drivers even Mother Teresa would want to give em some.

I dont know Ryan personally, but my guys tell me hes alright, so I`ll help him out too, as Id want fellow cyclists to help me out if I was in the same position.

Which I may be if I see that idiot in the Nissan Xterra with Corps Diplomatique plates again ;)

i nearly got stacked by two immensely fat men in a huge jaguar in marylebone high street this morning. i was very cross, then a little freaked out by the whole thing. it's very difficult to keep calm in this scenario. i've never whacked anyone though, never would, i'm even weedier than bill, and if they get out of their car i'm off really fast, and a bit shaky.

aidan eye for an eye is a load of shit.....acting like this person has is justifying the actions of the driver

I agree with the 'eye for an eye' statement. But in certain situations logic and reason go out the window and you become a creature of instinct. My older brother was killed 3 years ago buy a drunk driver who swerved across the street and hit him while he was cycling home. After the accident they both got taken to the same hospital which is where I met him. Needless to say I wasn't thinking logically and proceeded on beating the shit out of him. I would of killed him if I wasn't restrained. Looking back I know (kinda) it was not the right thing to do but at the time emotion, adrenalin etc took over. My point is that under certain circumstances we all lose control and do things we are not proud of. Punishment should be equal to the crime and personally i think deportation is excessive.

this is weird as he's usually a pretty relaxed dude. met him quite a number of times and doesn't seem to be violent dude. aidan, i for one can't believe what utter crap you're writing, man you fly off the handle with great ease!!

Buffalo Bill [quote]aidan but i do know if i act in a violent way that im going to have to pay the consequences...which in this case the person is relying on the sale of shirts to stop him being deported...fuck that!

Ryan isn't relying on the sale of the shirts - House of Pistard is printing them as a gesture and the rest of us are buying them to help him out of a sticky situation. As I said in my post (which you obviously haven't read), I don't condone what he did. It was a dumb thing to do. If you want to, you can see the image as glorifying violence. I think it's a witty response that will appeal to people and make them more likely to buy the shirts.

But he's a mate, and I don't want to see him get deported because of a moment that he regrets. The driver was just as culpable, but came off slightly worse.[/quote]
if he's not relying on the sale of the shirts then im guessing he's has other options.......its seems you don't read the comments added on your post, i have read it and i did leave a comment which made me aware of your opinion on the situation....i dont think there is a "if you want to" about it,the people at house of pistard have taken the action of which got him in this situation and printed it on a shirt...bill your not stupid, that is blaitenly glorifying the action.i am also aware of the fact that people are more likely to buy a shirt with the proposed image on it then a shirt with the opposite but thats the only reason i can see for using it.

im aware of him being a mate of yours(as i read your post)and like i said earlier that is the only reason i would buy it as i trust yours and Rakans judgment.i have nothing against this guy...i dont even know him but i know that is actions were not cleaver and the shirt design is not 'witty'

dogsballs this is weird as he's usually a pretty relaxed dude. met him quite a number of times and doesn't seem to be violent dude. aidan, i for one can't believe what utter crap you're writing, man you fly off the handle with great ease!!

crap? i for one can't believe what a dick you are....at least add a valid opinion to the discussion...and your saying im talking crap.

you haven't met the dude, yet u are dominating your views on people = crap!!

and fuck yeah, you have a temper, hence why i could see you doing the same thing. so bite me!!

god! read whats been written.....i can assure you i would never do such a thing,anyone who actually knows me would agree.
how the hell have my views been dominating? its a discussion...which i have discussed.maybe my view are dominating for a reason.

thats my point, you can say oh yeah i'd never do that...which is what people would probably say of ryan, but it DID happen. hence why we're trying to help a mate, not in any way condoning it.

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and what im saying is the image=bad...get it?

it's called humour, dude. the thing that makes this forum turn.

aidan and what im saying is the image=bad...get it?

Got it, you have made that clear, I personally think the image is great, I would go as far as saying that it sums up years of frustration in a single image.

I understand you think it is in poor taste, you should then not buy one of the t-shirts because of your views, others who think the opposite will buy it.

Nothing more to be said really ?

I'm with Aidan. There's not really an excuse for the behaviour.

But then, I'm with Bill too. Everyone does something that they regret from time to time and being deported is disproportionate to the actions he took.

I'm not very good at giving leeway to excuse someone's behaviour, and I too dislike the image for it's gloryfication. However, I would not turn my back on another person in need and at risk of deportation, especially one who is a fellow cyclist.

I'll not buy a t-shirt, but if I see Bill or anyone around, or if there is a paypal address, then I'll give something to add to the fund. It's not saying that his actions are acceptable, it's saying that he doesn't deserve to be deported and have his life up-turned because of one moment of anger.

Oh, and the comment earlier about 8 hours or more of putting up with crap drivers. That's called professionalism. You don't carry the ill will or anger from one incident onto the next. The next driver isn't responsible for all that happened prior in the day. Cycling in London is a constant exercise in exerting calm and avoiding conflict. Implying that the accumulation of stress on the road justifies or excuses behaviour like this is just wrong.

And for the record, none of us know that story of the Merc driver. Can't we consider that he also might have been having a hard day. The poor sod is stuck in his shiny car and unable to move at more than 10mph. Surely that would be enough to drive you to desperation? No? Precisely... none of this is inexcusable, not even as retaliation. But people are people and we should be able to forgive everyone's moments of madness and instead focus on making their lives better. In the case of the Merc driver it means a new windscreen and not being in fear of cyclists, in the case of the cyclist it means not being deported and having the financial trauma and stress lifted.

It's not hard to be cool about such stuff is it?

OK, we get your point.

Ryan's a dick, and we are dicks for trying to help him out. And you don't think the t-shirt design is funny.

And you would never ever lose your temper, even if someone had deliberately tried to run you over, and do something stupid that you regretted.

Was that to me? I said I'd happily help as the prospect of him being deported is just nuts. And for helping him, well it's totally the right thing to do.

Does that not come across in my post?

So I don't think glorifying the incident helps. But I still want to help.

Did I not write that?

Sorry, I was just summing up aido and putting some extra words in his mouth - not you!

I need to work on this forum software, it's so hard to determine who is replying to who.

Anyhow... who's doing the fund? Do they have a paypal account do you know?

velocity boy

Oh, and the comment earlier about 8 hours or more of putting up with crap drivers. That's called professionalism. You don't carry the ill will or anger from one incident onto the next. The next driver isn't responsible for all that happened prior in the day. Cycling in London is a constant exercise in exerting calm and avoiding conflict. Implying that the accumulation of stress on the road justifies or excuses behaviour like this is just wrong.

And for the record, none of us know that story of the Merc driver. Can't we consider that he also might have been having a hard day. The poor sod is stuck in his shiny car and unable to move at more than 10mph. Surely that would be enough to drive you to desperation? No? Precisely... none of this is inexcusable, not even as retaliation. But people are people and we should be able to forgive everyone's moments of madness and instead focus on making their lives better. In the case of the Merc driver it means a new windscreen and not being in fear of cyclists, in the case of the cyclist it means not being deported and having the financial trauma and stress lifted.

It's not hard to be cool about such stuff is it?

I am not excusing his actions, but I have been there. Many times. Call it a lack of professionalism, call it stupidity, ok, ok, all of that is true. But it happens.

I totally agree that the Merc didn't deserve to have his window smashed, but the guy bumped Ryan's back wheel deliberately, and hard enough to bend it. That's not cool either. I think they just about got what they deserved, both of them, at the time. Fortunately, as far as I know, neither party was seriously injured. The Merc driver is getting a new wind-screen.

I'm just curious - as people keep saying they don't know the full story - what is the full story? I only found out in the last post that the driver bumped the cyclist's back wheel hard enough to bend it. I went to the House of Pistard site and neither was it clear from there precisely what happened. Does anybody know exactly?

For the record, some dozy bitch actually ran over my foot while I was to the side of her BUT in front, where she could very clearly see me. This was at a red light too, christ knows what she was doing. While I assured her of her stupidity and that 'sorry does not make it ok', she left with her car intact.