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erm thanks for the offer the only reason why i wanted these ones is that they have the brace over the point where the stem fixes so it should be a nice place to rest my hands
weight: shouldn't bee too heavy, my present drops are bout 700-800g the scales were changing, these bars say about 800, for 710mm, but i'm gonna cut it down to max of 450mm, so a little less weight
The shim shizness is a pain in the arse but i'm gonna get a new stem so may be able to sort something, just a matter of searching
thanks for the advice tho, greatly appreciated