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@hosepipe
.....but i'm not talking about specialised langsters etc Glow, i';m talking about there being no market for companies that will sell you old road frames with cheap bits on! it's fine for these companies to exist, but blo0dy hell, it doesn't take much effort to do exactly what they're doing and you'll save your hard-earned - you'll be doing it yourself, you'll save money, therefore you'll have MORE MONEY for nicer parts!! and therefore HAVE A NICER BIKE! ..
"odd chainline issues, weird and seized bottom brackets, messed up threads" people speak about bike parts like they're some kind of magical mystery..."Plus they've got all the tools and loads of knowledge" !! all the knowledge you'll ever need is 5 seconds away on the net. It's not hard to replace a BB, or sort out a chainline