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i'd say if you want fancy frames go with robin mathers, sure this man can do anything you see from moyer. cheaper and we're in the same country. order a moyer add on shipping and tax all that you could have 2 frames built by mathers or deck the frame out with absolute bling. i also had this discussion with punkpixel the other day about moyer both of us don't want a frame built by an ex-marine.
the XA he built is really one hell of a bike though.
for me i dream about the day i can get a witcomb.