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Thanks for the info Hippy, I'd never have the Langster frame was that light, I may have to go back and look at the bits it fitted with and see where the weight is? Thanks for mentioning the Pearson, I'd forgotten about them.
One thought worth sharing about the whole carbon fibre bike thing is the issue of just how much easier it is to crush damage carbon bits by over tightening things, the other thing I wasn't expecting was to have the (carbon fibre) seat post get all bound up in the seat tube, I got it out eventually but it made all sorts of scary noises and the friction made the frame get perceptibly warm to the touch all around the seat tube/top tube area, that was scary! I ended up working it out a couple of millimeters, then leaving it 15-20 minutes to cool down before working it out another couple of millimeters.
If I can afford it (and it won't be for at least several years) next time I'll got for a frame with titanium main frames but a carbon fork and rear triangle, something like the Seven Cycles ID8, well we can all dream can't we. I still love the Pedal Force but the whole carbon fibre seat post stuck in carbon fibre seat tube and making very scary squeaking noises coming out has heightened my anxiety about carbon fibres long term strength/reliability.