The long arm of the plod.....

kowalski Interesting that 1750 got breathalised.

You don't get breathalised for being pissed in public I'm sure.

Else plod would just stand outside the pub, tool in hand.

i'm sure there's some really dodgy law about 'being in charge of a vehicle'. i read somewhere that bicycles aren't actually allowed to ride in bus lanes unless there's a picture of a bike on it. but it's something that never gets enforced.

kowalski
Else plod would just stand outside the pub, tool in hand.

Haaaaaaa!

We're all in the sh1te....

Section 30 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, as amended by the Road Traffic Act 1991, provides the offence of cycling on a road or public place whilst under the influence of drink or drugs. It states:
30(1) A person who, when riding a cycle on a road or other public place, is unfit to ride through drink or drugs (that is to say, is under the influence of drink or a drug to such an extent as to be incapable of having proper control of the cycle) is guilty of an offence.

NOTES

(i) The evidence of the extent to which a person is affected must be measured by means other than the provision of a specimen of breath, blood or urine, as there is no power to require such a specimen in these circumstances. However, if such a specimen was offered, it is probable that the evidence obtained by analysis of the specimen would be admissible.
(ii) In Scotland a constable may arrest without warrant a person committing an offence.
(iii) In England and Wales a constable may only arrest without warrant in accordance with the powers of arrest set out in section 24 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984. In such an instance, that power might be exercised where a satisfactory address has not been furnished, or the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that arrest is necessary to prevent such a person causing physical injury to himself or any other person (see also other conditions in s24 of PACE).
(iv) The absence of a specific power of arrest in England and Wales affects the ability of the police to present any form of medical evidence of the accused's condition.
(v) There is no offence of 'being in charge' of a cycle under the Road Traffic Acts, but such conduct may well be an offence of drunk in charge of a carriage under section 12 of the Licensing Act 1872. A bicycle or tricycle is a carriage for the purpose of that section.

Only if you're silly enough to get too drunk to ride properly.. like 31.. can't hold his liquor that one :P

MA3K [quote]Jackolas Had some experience with this. Conclusion: DON'T STOP FOR THEM.

Same, words to live by.
It is only Motorbike cops you have to look out for, the rest can be dumped easy.[/quote]

anyone who doesn't know that OB are utter utter utter cunts

gets what they deserve

give them the widest berth

and if they are after you

for fucks sake don't stop

I know blokes who have done three months time for sweet FA

had one once try and 'do' me for riding on 'slick tyres'

give them the widest berth

hippy Only if you're silly enough to get too drunk to ride properly.. like 31.. can't hold his liquor that one :P

i'll have you know been riding pissed for twenty years, no probs, do tend to fall over when i get off the bike though...........8^)

Anyone ever been chased by those Police Cyclists?

Nope, but one was outside my house last night.. he was investigating a broken car window (I'd noticed the window on the way to shop 15min earlier).

I rode past. Was gonna go back and ask him some questions (I didn't think they were out as far as Ealing) but he fscked off when he saw me (scaredy plod).

OCD Anyone ever been chased by those Police Cyclists?

A pal of mine who had jumped a red light (safely for himself and those around, etc, of course...) sped up on seeing that a bicycle policeman had seen him but was on a rubbishy gran's bike [and probably also didn't want to be going absolutely hell for leather such that he couldn't say "Oh, I just fancied upping the pace a bit"] and was pulled over.
That's by the by, really, but the interesting bit was how amazingly condescending the policeman was. After doing the "Now, then, what wasn't right about what you did at that traffic light?" stuff, the policemen said: "Now, I could give you a fine. Or you can cycle bike to the lights and have another go at negotiating them properly."
I'd be tempted to accept the fine and then do the routine whereby:
Cyclist: Would I breaking the law if I called you a ct?
Plod: Yes, I could arrest you for insulting a police officer
Cyclist: Hmm, well would I be breaking the law if I just thought you were a ct?
Plod: Er, no
Cyclist. Fair enough. I think you're a c**t

kowalski:

iii) In England and Wales a constable may only arrest without warrant in accordance with the powers of arrest set out in section 24 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984....."

SOCPA has put an end to that. Now as i understood it in the good old days you had to have actually carried out a arrestable offence. Now the bar has been lowered and now you can be arrested for a inditabel offence; the officer only has to suspect that you may cause one of the following before he takes you in.

Ie. The officer can arrest you if he suspects that you may do injury to others by your actions. Jumping a red light....?

Notes:

For constables, one or more of the following criteria now have to be fulfilled before an arrest can be made.

1. To enable the name of the person in question to be ascertained (in the case where the constable does not know, and cannot readily ascertain, the person's name, or has reasonable grounds for doubting whether a name given by the person as his name is his "real name")
   
2. As reason 1 but in respect of the person's address
   
3. To prevent the person in question:
   * Causing physical injury to themself or any other person
   * Suffering physical injury
   * Causing loss of or damage to property
   * Committing an offence against public decency
   * Causing an unlawful obstruction of the highway
   
4. To protect a child or other vulnerable person from the person being arrested
   
5. To allow the prompt and effective investigation of the offence or of the conduct of the person being arrested
   
6. To prevent any prosecution for the offence from being hindered by the disappearance of the person being arrested
   

also :

Section 30 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, as amended by the Road Traffic Act 1991, provides the offence of cycling on a road or public place whilst under the influence of drink or drugs. It states:
30(1) A person who, when riding a cycle on a road or other public place, is unfit to ride through drink or drugs (that is to say, is under the influence of drink or a drug to such an extent as to be incapable of having proper control of the cycle) is guilty of an offence.

NOTES

(i) The evidence of the extent to which a person is affected must be measured by means other than the provision of a specimen of breath, blood or urine, as there is no power to require such a specimen in these circumstances. However, if such a specimen was offered, it is probable that the evidence obtained by analysis of the specimen would be admissible.
(ii) In Scotland a constable may arrest without warrant a person committing an offence.
(iii) In England and Wales a constable may only arrest without warrant in accordance with the powers of arrest set out in section 24 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984. In such an instance, that power might be exercised where a satisfactory address has not been furnished, or the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that arrest is necessary to prevent such a person causing physical injury to himself or any other person (see also other conditions in s24 of PACE).
(iv) The absence of a specific power of arrest in England and Wales affects the ability of the police to present any form of medical evidence of the accused's condition.
(v) There is no offence of 'being in charge' of a cycle under the Road Traffic Acts, but such conduct may well be an offence of drunk in charge of a carriage under section 12 of the Licensing Act 1872. A bicycle or tricycle is a carriage for the purpose of that section.

check out the bold text ... 1872 ??

Mat Sinclair kowalski:

For constables, one or more of the following criteria now have to be fulfilled before an arrest can be made.

1. To enable the name of the person in question to be ascertained (in the case where the constable does not know, and cannot readily ascertain, the person's name, or has reasonable grounds for doubting whether a name given by the person as his name is his "real name")
   
   

Has anyone tried explaining that their frame was custom built, and has your name inscribed on it eg. "My name,officer? It's Bob Jackson."

do you have to give them your details: yes, but not to CSW beacuse they have no powers at all, and infact cannot even stop or detain you unless the expect you of 'anti-social behivour'

the cops with guns are not supposed to leave their posts, as their job is gaurdeing terrorist targets, not harassing cyclists, but they get bored, if you chose not to stop they probly wont chase you. that said i know some people who have blown a light, ran for it, made a drop, and come out to find some coppers waiting for them with an FPN on hand. also if you run you risk arest for interfearing with the athourity of the police, or a similar minor arestable offence. if they want to be hard asses the maximum pealty is minor jail time, but you would most likley get a fine and a reccord, or all charges droped when you pay the ticket.

I routinely run every light on Whitehall secure in that knowledge vegan.

As reported to me by a colleague who saw this a couple of weeks ago: A cyclist went through a red on the Cut up by Waterloo. Immediately, the driver of an unmarked Porsche sitting nearby turned on his flashing blue lights and pursued the cyclist, pulling him over a few metres later.
I didn't know the OB had such flash cars.

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When I was up at Harrogate, all the cops had Subaru Impreznas, cause the previous year there was a bank job and the robbers all has them and stripped away from the cops in Volvo 440s on the country lanes. They never caught them :)

threedaymonk As reported to me by a colleague who saw this a couple of weeks ago: A cyclist went through a red on the Cut up by Waterloo. Immediately, the driver of an unmarked Porsche sitting nearby turned on his flashing blue lights and pursued the cyclist, pulling him over a few metres later.
I didn't know the OB had such flash cars.

and if he had ridden another 200 hundred yards the cop car would have got stuck in traffic whilst the cyclist could have cut through to the really nice pavements (in both directions) all along the thames

maybe the Porsche could have called for helicopter back up though

Yeah, it would be easy to get away round there. Perhaps he wasn't as much of a rebel outlaw as all that.

Having a sports car lying in wait to trap cyclists jumping red lights does seem a bit disproportionate. If only they'd apply the same dedication to catching bike thieves!

true....why the hell do they have cars like that anyway?!...i doubt that the 'pig' was a normal everyday police officer.he/she/pig was probably on some kind of under cover drugs heist and thought "oh look a bike jumped a light,i must assert some authority"......or something along those lines:)

Ma3k and I spent the night at hammersmith station a while ago, we ran a deserted red light then saw the blue lights come on, thought ah fook, decided we werent stopping proceded to sprint down what we thought was a side street.. ended up at a dead end! so turned to welcome the approaching police car then I dunno why we did but we both took off again past the old bill ...after about 10 min of the slowest car chase you would ever see with a copper hanging out the window shouting "stop you CUNTS!" we got cut off by another cop car and van.. I remeber being hauled to the ground still clipped in getting cuffed and a big Kojack looking copper saying to me "Could you not hear the siren?? or see the lights!!" I replied "oh they were for me?" we got bundled down the station (after they stopped at the garage to buy something) While searching my bag they were asking how much we had to drink I replied "2 beers each" he then proceded to pull out 4 of the clear plastic 6 pack holders and raised an eyebrow, in the back ground I could see Ma3k getting shoved forward in to the holding cells asking "why the fuck [the other copper] is he putting rubber gloves on?".
They let me go after about 5 hours, but kept Ma3k in cause he gave them every address he had previously live at in the last 10 years. started to cycle home and after about 5 min I heard a car come up behind me and police sirens come on.. thought oh for fuck sake, but ill stop this time turned round and it was the same fuckers they just kept driving pissing them selfs laughing ...lol bastards, id have done the same.

believe it or not nothing came of it, just locked us up and let us go. Tho I think ill just stop next time..

I guess if you're gonna run.. make sure you know where you're going! Dead end.. ouch. Rubber gloves.. OUCH! :)

I always wondered what do the chaps in the funny helmets do to your bike when they've nicked you? Do they take the front wheel off and spend 10 minutes trying to fit it in the boot, or do they just leave it lying in the street where they nicked you?

they called another van you go in a tiny compartment inbetween the van doors and a cage and they put your bike on the lovely padded seats you can look at through the bars, although the cop said they were just going to leave it there..

edit* haha, Ma3k said when he got his bike back the saddle had been lowered!

That's kind of comforting - aside from the total hassle getting nicked wouldn't mean that much to me, but if they just nicked me and left the bike behind (alone and defenceless!!) I'd be fuming... in fact that's the main reason I avoid run-ins with that lot.