Food for thought

There are too many outlying factors to so called global warming than CO2, and there are many many other impacts on the environment when you drive a car. Try to find this documentary called "The great global warming swindle" and watch it. Human beings aren't really producing as much CO2 to really affect the climate that much... the oceans are actually the largest emitters of CO2, so global warming might actually just be a bunch of bollocks invented by climate scientists who want research money.

It's always obvious how these people who are trying to make a point will present you with something that sounds well radical by abusing statistics - because that brings media coverage and sadly, this is how the system works because there are just too many people out there who are sheep and believe in whatever misleading crap they say in the london paper/the sun/mirror etc...

Don't forget The Daily Mail, the most insidious, hateful, fictionalized piece of misleading crap masquerading as journalism in contemporary British history :)

BringMeMyFix Don't forget The Daily Mail, the most insidious, hateful, fictionalized piece of misleading crap masquerading as journalism in contemporary British history :)

so true!

edmundane There are too many outlying factors to so called global warming than CO2, and there are many many other impacts on the environment when you drive a car. Try to find this documentary called "The great global warming swindle" and watch it. Human beings aren't really producing as much CO2 to really affect the climate that much... the oceans are actually the largest emitters of CO2, so global warming might actually just be a bunch of bollocks invented by climate scientists who want research money.

It's always obvious how these people who are trying to make a point will present you with something that sounds well radical by abusing statistics - because that brings media coverage and sadly, this is how the system works because there are just too many people out there who are sheep and believe in whatever misleading crap they say in the london paper/the sun/mirror etc...

i saw that documentry,i think that its an easy way out of being resposible for our actions and human beings.........
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edmundane There are too many outlying factors to so called global warming than CO2, and there are many many other impacts on the environment when you drive a car. Try to find this documentary called "The great global warming swindle" and watch it. Human beings aren't really producing as much CO2 to really affect the climate that much... the oceans are actually the largest emitters of CO2, so global warming might actually just be a bunch of bollocks invented by climate scientists who want research money.

It's always obvious how these people who are trying to make a point will present you with something that sounds well radical by abusing statistics - because that brings media coverage and sadly, this is how the system works because there are just too many people out there who are sheep and believe in whatever misleading crap they say in the london paper/the sun/mirror etc...

I didn't really see the point of that documentry. It essentially condones our continued blind pillagingof this planet regardless of the consequences.

the point of it was to point out that carbon emissions aren't that much of a factor in global warming. and to show you how politicians play their game. of course you have to be skeptical about it, i was as well, and it never got me to think that we are not responsible for pollution at all. and as i said, not to contradict myself, people will do anything radical to grab your attention - this film counted in as well. ruling it off without a deeper analysis is making things too black or white.

the reason why i brought this film up is that i don't like this hype about carbon emissions is that everyone's blindly measuring how "green" they are by carbon emissions (you see how these are used in those car manufacturer marketing ploys), and not considering the many other more types of pollution caused at the same time - it ends up with people like tony blair who thinks that growing more trees alone will save the planet. and that's simply pathetic - and that's how pathetic the scientist who ruled off riding bikes and eating more is more polluting to the earth because he doesn't see and couldn't show us the big picture. combustion engines don't just give out CO2. if they do, we won't be in the trouble we're in now.

there's a lot of dumb stuff going around about climate change (see carbon offsetting, for one). But that great global warming swindle isn't exactly the most reliable source of information..

Scientists featured on that "documentary" have publicly announced that their interviews had been cut short and edited in such ways that it gave the opposite idea of what they were trying to say. I seem to remember that comment about the oceans and CO2 being one of those - if I remember correctly, he meant that yes, the oceans and the forests are the biggest producers of CO2.. But they'll also consume lots of it and whats more important, the planet has survived for millions of years with those emissions - it's the added comsuption of human beings that kinda overflows the tub.

I think a lot of it boils down to common sense - how can driving a car and using oil be "green"? How can replacing oil with bio fuels (thus harvesting acres upon acres of rain forest) be green? How can carbon offsetting (paying poor countries money so they'll reduce their emissions as an excuse for polluting our countries..?) be green?

I think we're at a critical point where a decision has to be made, whether we change our ways and most importantly our values, the way we measure success, comfort and achievement, or we risk fucking it all up not for ourselves, but for a generation or two down the line.

Sooo yeah, rant over :)

Hold on a second.

Do you really eat an extra 200g of food that you wouldn't if you didn't ride your bike? I think that's total bollocks. 200g is absolutely nothing - and i'm sure people who drive to work when they could easily ride are the type of lazy bums who would eat LOTS more than an extra 200g of food a day.

Frankly that article is a load of steamy camel piss.

we all know it's a load of crap, but just to be pedantic, driving a car uses calories too! so unless he takes that into account it's all bollocks.

oh hang on, it's all bollocks and the bloke's a cunt.

give me his email and I'll write to him and say that too.

(part of my work involves these type of issues, we don't need twats like that spouting such fucking crap)

Lets all ride to his house and throw processed food at his windows

edmundane There are too many outlying factors to so called global warming than CO2, and there are many many other impacts on the environment when you drive a car. Try to find this documentary called "The great global warming swindle" and watch it. Human beings aren't really producing as much CO2 to really affect the climate that much... the oceans are actually the largest emitters of CO2, so global warming might actually just be a bunch of bollocks invented by climate scientists who want research money.

It's always obvious how these people who are trying to make a point will present you with something that sounds well radical by abusing statistics - because that brings media coverage and sadly, this is how the system works because there are just too many people out there who are sheep and believe in whatever misleading crap they say in the london paper/the sun/mirror etc...

This really, really fscks me off, big time. I'm not going to hold back here: I'm not some dumb Sun reading moron. Global warming is happening. Just go and read the back issues of magazines like New Scientist where the whole, fscking terrible, documentary of the "swindle" of global warming is torn apart bit by bit. The research that those scientists use has been totally discredited, THREE TIMES. First, they made errors in producing graphs, secondly, they used the wrong satellite data, and on the third attempt there were mathematical errors.

ERGGGHGHG :@

Edit: Pretty much all scientific knowledge is attained through peer-review. The "facts" put forward the by the creators of the Great Global Warming Swindle were all shown to be incorrect, through peer review. However, in order to create a skandal, Channel 4 allowed them to produce and then broadcast this documentary, which itself has not been peer-reviewed. Basically, the program is nonsense.

Edit 2: Edmundane - I wasn't personally having a go at you. Just anyone even mentioning that bloody documentary makes my blood boil.

for anyone who watched that global warming swindle "documentary", they should also check out the debunking of it here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656640542976216573

global warming swindle? I work in film and know how editing works. The smirnoff triple distiled advert ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLmn07BVNZc
) is a crude example, but it goes to show you can different stories with the same material. When you watch any tv, you'd be suprised how much gets cut out, according to the message you want to convey. A saying I heard ages ago goes 'that everything you see and hear in the news is true, apart from the stuff you were witness to'. Basically, unless you actually did the research, or were there in the edit suite / shoot its all complete and utter fabrication.
Personally I think it comes down to common sense, like when your elders would tell you not to be wasteful as a youngster. Same goes for now we're all grown up. Don't waste stuff, whether it be food, oil, petrol, energy, the planet, etc etc

asm Lets all ride to his house and throw processed food at his windows

ohh your such a silly billy!

I heard something funny about Global warming a while ago. Technically what everyone wants is less CO2, but there are ways of doing that other than stopping forests getting cut down. You'd lock away an awful lot of carbon if you tarmacced over an entire country, and you're also doing the world a favour by keeping a large library.

Not that i'm advocating tarmaccing over a country! I just think that's kinda funny.

ok guys, just to recap, i said:

"the reason why i brought this film up is that i don't like this hype about carbon emissions is that everyone's blindly measuring how "green" they are by carbon emissions (you see how these are used in those car manufacturer marketing ploys), and not considering the many other more types of pollution caused at the same time - it ends up with people like tony blair who thinks that growing more trees alone will save the planet. and that's simply pathetic - and that's how pathetic the scientist who ruled off riding bikes and eating more is more polluting to the earth because he doesn't see and couldn't show us the big picture. combustion engines don't just give out CO2. if they do, we won't be in the trouble we're in now."

don't think u guys are having a go at me, it's good to debate this kind of thing and share views. was good to see those things debunking that film. those are things that i honestly do not know about... thanks for shedding the light.

dominiclincoln global warming swindle? I work in film and know how editing works. The smirnoff triple distiled advert ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLmn07BVNZc
) is a crude example, but it goes to show you can different stories with the same material. When you watch any tv, you'd be suprised how much gets cut out, according to the message you want to convey. A saying I heard ages ago goes 'that everything you see and hear in the news is true, apart from the stuff you were witness to'. Basically, unless you actually did the research, or were there in the edit suite / shoot its all complete and utter fabrication.
Personally I think it comes down to common sense, like when your elders would tell you not to be wasteful as a youngster. Same goes for now we're all grown up. Don't waste stuff, whether it be food, oil, petrol, energy, the planet, etc etc

i do some editing myself as well. once i had to cut something down from 45mins to 3. i came out totally different as to what it was supposed to be.
i also adhere to the don't waste stuff attitude myself. i once worked in a restaurant as a sub for a friend just to help out. it disgusts me so much how much stuff comes back into the kitchen untouched on the plates that goes straight into the bin. it hurts so much that i don't think i can work in catering at all anymore.

That critique of the GGWS was excellent :) Anyone who was convinced or even just doubts global warming should watch that. It is long, but it is necessary to cut through the nonsense in the documentary.

edmundane i also adhere to the don't waste stuff attitude myself. i once worked in a restaurant as a sub for a friend just to help out. it disgusts me so much how much stuff comes back into the kitchen untouched on the plates that goes straight into the bin. it hurts so much that i don't think i can work in catering at all anymore.

Yeah, it's shocking. The amount of waste in the record store I work in is terrible too. Thankfully, cardboard is recycled (there's is a huge amount that comes through the stock room doors everyday) but paper/plastic isn't. Every morning you have to go round with a list of specific items and check they're on the shelves, and the printer can print double sided but people don't send the jobs to it as a double sided print out. You end up with loads of sheets of paper saying "No records" thrown in the bin too.

I recycle loads at home though :) And compost food scraps!

LFGSS should be inverted too.

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ok by me

I love it when people say, cow emit x many tones of C02 so lets get ride of cows, or people produce loads of c02 by breathing. Many people seem to struggle with the concept of the carbon cycle,a concept than most school children have no problem with.

Most people liek to go along with the crowd and not analise the arument which they are given, plus there is now a lack of trust in men in suites. There is a documentary on this week about hte rise in cults and odd spirituallity and how people are turning their back or science and reason. This brings up an important point. People, the public what ever you whish to call them, as a whole have lost faith in authority figures. Most of these figures are people like politicians, e.t.c. We rely on the information and judgement of these people to run our country, economy, foreign policy e.t.c. This lack have trust has shown it's self in terms of voter apathy, and in some areas the rise of fringe parties such as the BNP e.t.c. Another form of authority is of course the scintific community. The mistrust of authority figures, combined with lack of understanding of how the scientifc world works, add on the minipulation of the media and fianally the point that the course of action agaisnst golbal warming will requre personal sacifice, is it any wonder that the public are receptive to any kind of counter argument, no matter how weak?

TheBrick(Tommy) I love it when people say, cow emit x many tones of C02 so lets get ride of cows, or people produce loads of c02 by breathing. Many people seem to struggle with the concept of the carbon cycle, a concept than most school children have no problem with.

Exactly. My sister is studying for her GCSEs and she understands global warming just as well as or better than the adults I work with.

Most people liek to go along with the crowd and not analise the arument which they are given, plus there is now a lack of trust in men in suites. There is a documentary on this week about hte rise in cults and odd spirituallity and how people are turning their back or science and reason.

It's called "Enemies of Reason" and is on at 8pm on Channel 4 tonight. It's by Richard Dawkins, who is, in my opinion, an amazing guy. His book "The God Delusion" is fantastic, as are his others on evolution. He's a genius.

There was another C4 documentary he did called "The Root of all Evil?" He didn't want to call it that by the way, as he doesn't think religion is the root of all evil. He compromised with the question mark. Was excellent, and I'm sure this one will be. You can download it online if you go the wikipedia page about it.

This brings up an important point. People, the public what ever you whish to call them, as a whole have lost faith in authority figures. Most of these figures are people like politicians, e.t.c. We rely on the information and judgement of these people to run our country, economy, foreign policy e.t.c. This lack have trust has shown it's self in terms of voter apathy, and in some areas the rise of fringe parties such as the BNP e.t.c. Another form of authority is of course the scintific community. The mistrust of authority figures, combined with lack of understanding of how the scientifc world works, add on the minipulation of the media and fianally the point that the course of action agaisnst golbal warming will requre personal sacifice, is it any wonder that the public are receptive to any kind of counter argument, no matter how weak?

Certainly. Fewer and fewer students are taking science and mathematics (and to an extent languages) A levels now in favour of easier subjects like media studies, film studies and art. Physics has dropped by half and chemistry by a third. As a whole the population has little scientific understanding and we're becoming a nation of people with useless degrees. The people I work with have media, film and art degrees, yet they're working in a record store doing exactly the same thing as me, but I'm only 18 and haven't even go my A level results yet!

People need to realise how science actually functions. I wish I could make it compulsory reading for every sixth form student in the country to read Thomas Kuhn's "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" - at the moment it seems that people think I scientist just goes "oh that's wrong, this is right, let me ring the newspaper..." Peer review is already weeding out the (failing) scientists who deny anthropegnic global warming. Instead, these scientists go straight to the people through dramatic and over-the-top documentaries via TV/Sun/Mail/Star/Internet.

As you ended, people just don't want to sacrifice anything. Companies only want to do things if it makes them more money. The joys of a capitalist society, eh?

This is why I take the lift in my office rather than the stairs.

Saves energy.

And at the Greenwich foot tunnel right? Good bumping into you the other day.