Japanese Bikes

I was thinking more like this

lpg Yeah i know what u mean, the bareknuckle is steep and places your weight further on the front wheel. Work your arm muscles, it really helps dampen the stiffness of the bike.

I am going to change my hand position by moving my brake round

yeah.....But.......It's not NJS is it ???!!!! ;)

the-smiling-buddha
I was thinking more like this

What da truck is that? It's an ANCHOR frame with "Bridgestone" all over it

£1400+ frame, btw. Not something you'd lockup outside Tesco.. often. ;)

Anchor and Bridgestone are the same thing

same price as a Pinarello near enough

too rich for my blood

the-smiling-buddha Anchor and Bridgestone are the same thing
same price as a Pinarello near enough
too rich for my blood

Ahh, i see..
http://www.businesscycles.com/anchor.htm
http://www.kgsbikes.com/go/news/bridgestone-anchor-superbike-ultimate-track-sprinter

Bridgestone in the USA, ANCHOR elsewhere

I was just looking at the prices of carbon road frames

http://www.wrenchscience.com/Colnago/CF4/Road_Bikes/Frames.html

BLIMEY

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on the bottom bracket, it says "EO MEDALIST" it appears on a few frames, even keirin ones.does anyone what it means???

I don't see the appeal of Japanese keirin frames myself, I suspect people in the US go for them mainly for snob value, because they're relatively rare as there's a limited supply of them, and they're hard to get hold of and expensive as well. The funny thing is course these frames are exact copies of European track frames from 20-30 years ago, it's not like there's anything particularly distinctive about them, except they've been built by a NJS builder. The whole NJS thing is complete nonsense anyway.

I would choose a 70s or 80s Euro track frame over a keirin frame any day, or go custom build, both will be a lot cheaper. The whole point in getting a custom frame is that you'll get exactly what you want, so if you want fag paper clearances, steep angles, no brake hole etc, that's what you'll get, plus you also get to choose the colour, tubing, lugs etc.

Question: are they really expensive? There was a Anchor/Bridgestone on ebay today which went for $610 including hatta headset and sugino BB. Thats about £310...call it £400 with shipping and a bit of tax. Sounds alright to me for a hand built frame with the likelihood of a bit of history. Gotta be better than a new Pompino or a Surly? A bit more money but it'll have some character? No?

Well £400 for a secondhand frame is IMHO way overpriced. And I certainly wouldn't want to waste £100 on P&P and tax!

Its all relative...

Njoi http://njsframes.blogspot.com/

Exactly...personally...I love the Nagasawa!!

hippy What da truck is that? It's an ANCHOR frame with "Bridgestone" all over it

True - it's not just an Anchor/Bridgestone, it also weighs like an anchor as well!

2.6kg though isn't much when the rider is 95kg+.
http://joa.jp/phm/phm9f.html

hippy Njoi http://njsframes.blogspot.com/

Wow! Beautiful... I'm a sucker for all the stamps/details and paint jobs on Keirin frames... I'm with JimmyP, the Nagasawa is absolutely gorgeous, lovin' the metallic fleck on the Samson too... Well OTT...
Don't know how happy I'd be lockin' those babies up outside Brixton Tesco's tho'...

You'll be able to see the Nagasawa in person in a couple of weeks ;-)

i enquired for a nagasawa, works out a little bit over a grand £ with the exchange rate as it is. you have to put down a hundred dollars deposit and the waiting time is just under two years.

i am seriously considering a custom witcomb track frame - anyone know roughly how much that will cost? i reckon not much change out of grand but with much less waiting time

NIce stuff - lovin the Samson, some of that stuff is way overpriced, paid less than £260 for my Naga and thats included shipping.

essbee NIce stuff - lovin the Samson, some of that stuff is way overpriced, paid less than £260 for my Naga and thats included shipping.

custom?

Some Witcomb prices: http://www.witcombcycles.com/handbuiltframes.htm

andy from londonfixedgear has a nice sparkly red 3Rensho and got to say it is a sweet looking ride. i would be going '70/'80/'90s italian steel before going japanese though and if i went custom would be looking to keep it more local than that.

i can see how people start obsessing over this kinda stuff though.