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@edmundane
i think i've changed my mind about them. jeans are so 20th century. goretex or not. and too expensive. i can buy a set of wheels open pros laced onto goldtecs handbuilt with that money.
but what other choices are there for cycling? no lycra + chamois for me (don't try to sell it to me hippy).
i don't really fancy camo either i've been asked if i'm a courier enough times even without a proper messenger bag and i have no intention to be a fakenger!