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@the-smiling-buddha
user error...? what are you on, they are a pair of bleedin shorts, you just put them on, I mean thats it, there is no 'user instructions' , there are no operating bleedin proceedures, you just wear'em, and as to the saddle moving I done 80 klicks today you think I'd notice wouldn't you, as to Viagra well I am bloody going to need it if this happen everytime I wear lycra, funny innit, never had this problem with jeans, I think I need to lose the padding