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JanWillem
Then I stumbled upon this Joven steel frame (or maybe I'd seen it for sale more than a year ago and had a notification set once i missed it..), in my mind this frameset could replace the alu Mitte V2 frame. But in the end the tire clearance is way to tight for gravel use.
Despite this I'm very happy with the frame because the geometry seems perfect for me, a long headtube and a very short top tube. At 3,1 kg for frame and fork it's not particularly light, it's frame is made of Columbus tubes but not sure which type. I'm told the frame builder is Jan Dejonckheere of Frame Works, Gistel, Belgium. Plans are to build it as a road plus bike or whatever category 30 mm road tubes on carbon wheels and a wireless group set fits in