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  • That wouldn't normally be my type of film, but it's a Michael Mann film, so it's done better. It's still a very Hollywood "two big movie stars face off" film, but it's better than most of them. The scenes most fans rave about are

    • De Niro and Pacino meeting for coffee
    • The police detectives being tricked into gathering in one place so that the criminals know who they all are
    • The shoot-out at the end of the bank robbery. Military types (and wannabees) make a particular fetish of that one because it's apparently one of the most realistic firefights in film; for a while it was shown to U.S. Marine recruits fresh out of base camp, until somebody realised that using even fictional bank robbers as training material didn't look so good.

    Michael Mann's record is hardly perfect (I mean, "The Keep"), but he's done several where I was surprised how good they were compared to my expectations when I went in. If you haven't seen "Collateral", do.

  • I quite enjoyed The Keep in a very strange, absolutely incomprehensible way. That's not to say it's good.

    Mann has done some bangers. Manhunter, Thief are great. I enjoyed Collateral and Miami Vice as well. Some stinkers in the mix for sure though. Public Enemies is one that comes to mind.

  • I quite enjoyed The Keep in a very strange, absolutely incomprehensible way. That's not to say it's good.

    Accurate. I recall enjoying the vibe but also thinking "this is a mess" while watching. The plot has a series of stages to go through and it just proceeds through them without doing much to hold it together.

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