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Do MPs understanding what assisted dying bill.

When Truss says the NHS should be saving lives not ending them. It just shows how little understanding she has.

She just wants coverage & headlines to keep her in the public eye or her backers will stop paying her. I doubt she believes even half of what she says.

But no, I don't believe she understands either.

Probably about 800 years' worth of souls, I reckon.

It made for some hilarious motorcycling when I was a courier. Blood and fat on a worn out road surface with cobbles peeping through, plus sharp corners and a steep gradient.

Do MPs understanding what assisted dying bill.
When Truss says the NHS should be saving lives not ending them. It just shows how little understanding she has.

Who cares, she's not an MP 😂

Spitalfields is a good example, it’s not perfect but the project took a derelict part of London

It wasn't derelict, there was a market in there. They just upgraded the market to make it warmer and more tourist friendly, and of course to convert half of it into shops and chain restaurants.

And they got rid of the skateboard ramp.

there was a skateboard ramp in spitalfields?

I'm not sure the presence/removal of a meat market in central London will have any effect on the meat industry, the level of meat consumption or climate change.

This is true. It'll still be nicer without the stench.

There was also The Spitz venue where i saw Squarepusher physically abuse a double bass for an hour or two.

Yup. Here's a comp in 1992. I think the ramp was built after this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx09_w1iyYg

The power station is an iconic landmark but the redevelopment is soulless, that’s what Smithfield has to look forward to.

Again, Smithfield is listed, which means that the overall structure of the buildings isn't going to be affected. Battersea Power Station has been surrounded by awful buildings, which won't happen here. I don't doubt that the new interior won't be 'soulful', but externally it won't be comparable at all.

Do you remember what it was like after the fruit and veg market moved out to Leyton?

Shops and chains are inevitable but at least they’ve maintained a mix with indi catering and the traders market.

That skate video is great. I can't really say I will miss the meat market. I also quite like Borough and Spitalfields now. Sorry.

Yes: there was more variety, but I agree it wasn't in a healthy state.

I just don't think it was derelict, or necessarily agree that the only way to improve the market was to halve its size and build a branch of fucking Giraffe

I'm not sure the presence/removal of a meat market in central London will have any effect on the meat industry, the level of meat consumption or climate change.

That's not the argument here. It's rather that with meat consumption going downwards for the reasons you describe, the meat industry will inevitably see their fortunes turn. And with their total unwillingness to enter into a dialogue with environmentalists and animal rights campaigners, I personally don't give a flying fuck what happens to their market. Bring on the Wagamamas.

Spitalfields is a good example, it’s not perfect but the project took a derelict part of London and turned it into something new without loosing the original essence of the space.

It wasn't derelict, there was a market in there. They just upgraded the market to make it warmer and more tourist friendly, and of course to convert half of it into shops and chain restaurants.

Well, the (original) market was moved out to Hackney Marshes, largely because it had relied on the proximity of the dense network of goods stations in the area (see the map in the link), and when they all closed (Bishopsgate Goods Station burned down in 1964), it became increasingly unsustainable to have the market serviced by lorries. There were also other changes, of course.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Aldgate%2C_Bishopsgate%2C_Haydon_Square%2C_Liverpool_Street%2C_Mansion_House%2C_Spitalfields_%26_Whitechapel_RJD_45.JPG.

The market that then followed wasn't suited to the large market hall, as it wasn't a wholesale market any more, but like a street market moved indoors, and not lucrative enough for the site to be maintained as before. I still would have preferred it to stay, but money talks. I think the development that replaced half the site, and obviously the interior of the part they kept, are pretty soulless, but if that site had come up to be developed today, you would have got something far, far worse.

I couldn't care less about the meat part, but slightly saddened by the fact that a market (of some sort) has stood on that spot for over 800 years, which could now be coming to an end. But life moves on I guess.

I do agree; the markets were a very distinctive part of London, but they relied on the old goods distribution system for their supplies, and obviously London's grown outwards a bit, with far more peripheral transport capacity, so most trade passes that way nowadays. That Smithfield survived in its current form for so long has long been a bit of an anachronism. It would be good if some kind of market could be part of a new development, but it'll inevitably some clean and sanitised version of one. I wouldn't be surprised if they 'themed' some of it (market or not) around meat, though. :(

How often does anyone see inside that market? You're not even supposed to cycle through from Charterhouse street to Long Lane (one probable downside of the redevelopment is that might be enforced in the future). And, even among the carnivores, who would want to spend any time in there? Or maybe it's being up at 7 o'clock in the morning and seeing a few blood stained butchers having a pint nearby. I know I will miss that. It's a lovely building and whatever happens next almost everyone's experience of it will be the same or better.

I can't imagine the same appeal-to-tradition being made as a reason not to kick the royal family out of Buckingham Palace and turn it in to a genuinely accessible attraction.

halve its size and build a branch of fucking Giraffe

I think we’re all agreed on this!

I remember looking around inside when we were filming ‘28 weeks later’ on location there on a Sunday morning.. was a bit grim.

Will, have cycled through there, even with the forklifts and workers, no one has commented or cared.

How often does anyone see inside that market? You're not even supposed to cycle through from Charterhouse street to Long Lane (one probable downside of the redevelopment is that might be enforced in the future). And, even among the carnivores, who would want to spend any time in there? Or maybe it's being up at 7 o'clock in the morning and seeing a few blood stained butchers having a pint nearby. I know I will miss that. It's a lovely building and whatever happens next almost everyone's experience of it will be the same or better.

I used to work round the corner and was always fascinated by the buildings but as you say - you couldn't go in, much less look around. Awful pen and ink, also.

Hopefully they'll do something nice with an amazing site, and we'll get to enjoy it in a way that's impossible now.