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  • But the outrage over the price is a reflection of the lack of education and serious engagement in art both on the part of individual and wider media.

    So, you don't think it's an example of 'good' art, but you also think that anyone who is outraged at the $6m+ price tag shows a lack of education and/or serious engagement with art?

    I'm perfectly happy with opinions on art being subjective (I mean, I'd almost go as far to say as it's pretty much always going to be the case), but your original post did reek of snobbery IMO.

  • But you cannot say it’s not art

    Of course you can say it's not art. Its only in an art gallery as enough people have agreed it is art. Others may disagree and that's fine.

  • There is also the notoriety of the artist to consider. A random person in the street tapes a banana to a wall, no one cares. A very famous artist does it, not only is it art, the value increases massively.

    I make the occasional oil painting commission, I’ll charge £250 for a big painting. Damian Horst does it, million pound...

  • Damian Hirst gets someone else to do it, million pound...

  • It's fairly futile to argue over whether something is 'art' or not, as the term has become so vague as to be almost meaningless.

  • There is also the notoriety of the artist to consider. A random person in the street tapes a banana to a wall, no one cares

    https://youtu.be/pOXX0HwTmF0?feature=shared

  • I suppose at least everyone is acting grown-up about it all…

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8jykpdgr08t

  • Even the concept of cop events is staggeringly bad for the environment.

    World leaders travel thousands of miles by private jets to discuss the climate crisis they are making worse just by being there.

  • The whole thing is a sham.

    “Give us money and we’ll toe the line”.

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  • There's the classic story of Dali paying with cheques then doodling on the back so they wouldn't cash the cheque.

  • The whole thing is a sham.

    “Give us money and we’ll toe the line”.

    Um, some of this is a long running argument from developing nations saying that the state of the environment today was mostly caused by former colonial powers who left them in a state where they're not resourced to tackle the problem alone, especially since many of the solutions either rely on advanced technology or would require them to say under-developed. And they're making a loud noise now because they want to be heard before Trump assumes power and tears it all up. I guess you don't mean it that way, but you're sounding very Daily Express headline writer there.

  • You are absolutely correct, but the developing nations’ response ignores the fact that there is limited money to share around.

    The walk-out comes across a bit like they’re not really that bothered about addressing the problems. Otherwise they’d take the £250bn and have at it as best they can. IMO.

  • It does appear to be mostly sham. Counter productive sham

  • Or a negotiating tactic.

  • There are multiple arguments going on there. Some is from the poorest nations complaining that China and India are now rich and powerful enough to be contributing more. But if you're from a small nation that is facing disappearing underwater - or having a lethal water shortage - this century and don't think what's on offer is going to make a difference, taking the money and doing the best you can is just about how you choose to die.

  • Tbh, if you’re on the brink of sinking in the next 100years, then no amount of money will prevent that now.

    And it’s bonkers that China still gets a seat at the Developing Nations table - I wholeheartedly agree with that.

  • If you look at the projections you could include Norfolk in that list of underwater places.

  • If anybody can adapt to an arboreal lifestyle, it's the ones with twelve prehensile toes.

  • https://www.theguardian.com/food/2024/nov/23/kfc-drops-pledge-to-stop-using-frankenchickens-in-the-uk

    kfc to re start the selling of frankenchickens
    mutant, lame, muscle diseased, fast growing chickens ...... hmmm hmm

  • And developing too

  • Just need to rinse them in a chlorine solution for that 100% Stateside experience.

  • average no. of legs per chicken rises above 2.

    profit ?

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