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It's hard to decide which lorry-related thread to choose, but perhaps this one will do. I thought it might be worth posting this from the Road Danger Reduction Forum, on 'cyclists stay back' stickers:
http://rdrf.org.uk/2014/05/30/transport-for-london-show-contempt-for-danger-reduction-and-cycling/
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Transport for London has no intention of asking firms in London to remove ‘Cyclists stay back’ stickers from their vehicles.
Cycling and road safety groups have criticised the stickers, saying the wording of the message is unsuitable because it implies cyclists are “second-class road users”
](http://rdrf.org.uk/2014/05/30/transport-for-london-show-contempt-for-danger-reduction-and-cycling/)'stay back behind all the rest of us'; 'stay back behind our exhaust fumes';
yes - its at least a little offensive passing those 'stay back' thangs,
how about a repose,
*Mister Scruff Says Keep Moving *
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I was behind a small lorry yesterday which had TWO 'cyclists stay back' stickers, both of which had been given the drivers' own personal touch. The first had 'DANGER' scrawled all over, and the second, lower down, had 'BORIS SAYS "BACK OFF!!" written on it.
So I would say yes, perhaps these stickers encourage drivers to think that their responsibility to check mirrors and blindspots is somewhat reduced.
TBF though, that particular lorry was being driven well.
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More fuel efficient and safer lorry designs? Sorry. Your life is not worth it.
[QUOTE]Under Franco-Swedish pressure, ministers regrettably agreed to ban the introduction of safer and cleaner lorry cabs from Europe’s roads for at least eight years.
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Wow, Peter Walker has the patience of a saint in the comment section.
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Can I get one of these stickers for my bike, to stop other cyclists passing me ?
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Wow, Peter Walker has the patience of a saint in the comment section.
It's a nuanced argument, which some seem to find tricky.
Burn.Not that the person he is responding to will realise that.
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He's relentless, batting away each idiotic statement with cold logic, facts and a sprinkling of sarcasm.
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I may borrow that clip for another thread..
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http://lcc.org.uk/articles/campaign-success-as-mayor-brings-safer-lorries-for-london-one-step-closer
Tl;dr--these steps are OK but there's still much left to do, and they shouldn't take their eye off the ball when it comes to pursuing the LCC's five-point plan for better lorry design and management of trips.
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Lorry firms have been given more time to tackle “blind spot” problems with HGVs being driven in London, despite concerns being expressed by cycle campaigners.
Tougher rules on the cameras, mirrors and sensors that must be fitted to lorries weighing 12 tonnes or more come into force on October 28.
But Transport for London has offered the haulage industry an additional six months to fit safety equipment to about 216,000 lorries with the lowest safety ratings.
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As a cyclist and ex HGV driver of 35 years.
Deepest sympathy for all affected.
Cyclists, no matter how much we change the hireachy no driver wants to run over someone. When you are rushing through and you need to pass back off, make eye contact in the mirrors ( presuming they are not dsmn camera type), wave an arm. If you can't get that then never, ever go up the inside. Look at the truck number plate, is it foreign ? If so its probably lhd, in which case turning right will be the drivers blind spot. Think, that thing could weigh 7 to 44 tons, your car is about 1.5.
Take ownership and responsibility for the problems. It may well be your, "right" but that won't look good on your gravestone.
Finally, hitch a lift in a big truck, have a look at the visibility. Common sense time folks!
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^ I know, poor bastard has been fitted up for years!