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  • I think Condor at one point made a fixed gear frameset with horizontal dropouts precisely for this reason

    This sounds interesting, but I really don't quite understand how this was supposed to work.

    For what it's worth, I have tried removing the back wheel from my Gillott (see post 2980 above) and it's tight, but it can just be done without delating the tyre. It's perhaps worth noting that this frame is now quite a way from the builder's original intentions, since it now has Campag ends and 700 wheels (probably intended for 26" since it dates from about 1950)

  • That is nice, would love one of those - also, the yellow colour is amazing!

  • Your post 2997,

    The rear ends on that Condor Tempo are exactly like the tradtional ends which I refer to in my post 2980 - the style which I date (roughly) from 1910 -1980. If something lasts a long time there must be something good about it!

    You refer to the Tempo ends as being 'horizontal', but in fact they slope down towards the front. This is, as stated above, to allow for the wheel to be moved while still keeping the brake block alignment.

    Back to my Question

    In the interesting discussion above some good suggestions have been made for how to deal with the problems arising from using track ends for normal road riding, but so far as I can see no actual benefits have been suggested; that is, in comparison with traditional, angled, forward facing dropouts. Track ends are better for a single gear than vertical drop outs, but that's just stating the obvious.

    Is this the conclusion: Track ends can be used for road, but they cause some small problems which can be overcome with a little ingenuity. There are no benefits?

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