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Trump is extremely close to the zionist lobby and Israel. But I don't believe that even he would have allowed Netanyahu to do what he has done over the past year. I don't believe any previous president would have allowed it. Any president in possession of his own facilities would have stepped in and said stop.

Essentially, Trump could not have been more accommodating to Netanyahu than Biden has been. And if he had done what Biden has done there would have been a degree of opposition from the Dems.

There came a point when Biden was so bad that it was no longer credible to say Trump would be even worse.

If anyone thinks differently, I would genuinely like to understand what specifically Trump could have done that would have been worse.

I thought she blamed Biden?

“We live with what happened,” Pelosi said.

Pelosi was speaking to The Interview, a New York Times podcast, in a conversation the newspaper said would be published Saturday in full.

“Had the president gotten out sooner,” Pelosi remarked, “there may have been other candidates in the race. The anticipation was that, if the president were to step aside, that there would be an open primary.

“And as I say, Kamala may have, I think she would have done well in that and been stronger going forward. But we don’t know that. That didn’t happen. We live with what happened. And because the president endorsed Kamala Harris immediately, that really made it almost impossible to have a primary at that time. If it had been much earlier, it would have been different.”

what specifically Trump could have done that would have been worse.

Based on his record for being unfiltered in public, he might have confirmed that Israel has its own nukes, and/or that their programme was facilitated by US actors since the 50s. That would’ve been the worst hit to the US’ international standing since the invasion of Iraq (which narrowly beats out his own mercurial tenure), and it would set fire to relations with Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Egypt, Jordan, and every other Muslim country allied with the US, which would’ve created regional havoc and a mad scramble for arms.

That’s one believable way he could’ve made things a lot worse.

Some US manufacturers are panic buying material they need to import.

I would genuinely like to understand what specifically Trump could have done that would have been worse.

Lol.

Just brainstorming but in addition to Muc-ed-off's how about

Bombing Iran
Calling for all Palestinians to be forcibly removed
Saying all 1967 land belongs to Israel

The dude is a fucking liability. There is loads of shit he could do.

I meant worse for the Palestinians. ie worse than genocide.

Where to? Netanyahu already tried Egypt. Biden didn't stop him but the Egyptians refused.

The Americans can't bomb Iran or their bases in the ME would be toast and Hormuz would be closed. Iran has serious military capability and an alliance with Russia. The US can't fuck with them. Just last night they tested what was either an icbm or an anti satellite missile. And they keep having earthquakes in unusual places - many people believe they already have nukes.

I still can't see how trump could have been worse. I expect he would have done what Reagan did in 1982, let it go on for a while then stop it with a phone call. And we would never have believed that things would have been worse under Biden.

NYT is Pravda? FT is Pravda? WSJ (Murdoch owned) is Pravda? That's ridiculous. Propagandizing on the opinion side is one thing, wholesale manufacturing of alternate reality on the news side is something completely different.

We didn't have to wait long for a good example. The rioting by Israeli football fans in Amsterdam.

Tl;dr Mainstream media caught outright lying and completely distorting facts to fit a narrative, we only found out because social media exists and gives a voice to people who were actually there and know the facts. I don't believe they only started doing this when the Internet came along.

If you've not followed it, Owen Jones summarises what we know here:

https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/1855368416565383621?t=MpN5Kv_K_QIdoxF1ohfO6w&s=19

I don't claim to be an expert on Pravda but would welcome any evidence you have of anything they did that was this dishonest.

Trump has ruled out having Pompeo and Hailey to be in his government = good news

Plenty of bad news coming in other appointments though, so it still will be shit overall

Pompeo and Hailey would be the wisest and most decent members of his entourage.
He will find others far worse.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one!

I don't doubt he'll find terrible people but, if they are not neocon advocates of permawars, that's a positive for me.

Arizona and Nevada have been called for Trump so final electoral college is 312:226

This is a good article

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mzl7zygpmo

This is very interesting - how voting patterns vary according to news consumption

"Among people who got their news from “newspapers,” Biden was winning 70-21. Among people who got their news from “YouTube/Google,” Trump led 55-39."

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/11/09/social-media-traditional-news-elections-00188548

NYT is Pravda? FT is Pravda? WSJ (Murdoch owned) is Pravda? That's ridiculous.

New Statesman journo says that Sky News is Pravda!

"This episode with Sky is quite similar to what used to happen in the old Soviet Union: you never saw the official censorship so clearly as when the censor screwed up and something was published by mistake, something so serious newspapers already on newstands had to be impounded"

https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1855320040960045390?t=4_DVerARGR3yHZ9H6NsSWw&s=19

offering a policy platform based on adressing the needs and concerns of their voters, not what they and their donors think those needs and concerns should be!

That's outside the rules of the game.

We're just sick of hearing about identity politics,.... We're just American, and we just want what's best for Americans

Such an interesting quote.

Why are Dems viewed as the ones pushing identity politics? Are they or is it the right claiming they are?

I'm probably unduly influenced by listening to loads of You're Wrong About a while back. But so often the stories that capture public imagination turn out to be totally bogus with a perfectly reasonable origin story.

In particular thinking about the class of students who self-identified as cats. But there are lots of others.

I read about that incident in Dutch in Dutch news.

People were waiting for the Israel fans. They exited subway stations and were attacked by people who drive off on scooters.

It wasn't a conflict between fans, of course Dutch police was prepared for that. So while some of the Israel fans burned flags and sang awful songs, that isn't the whole story either.

So while some of the Israel fans burned flags and sang awful songs

Get a grip.

https://x.com/mattzarb/status/1855591615412555937
https://x.com/walidmahmodrouk/status/1855399694840561665

Maccabi Tel Aviv hooligans were rampaging around the streets attacking shops, bystanders and being horribly violent, threatening and islamaphobic – amongst other things singing genocidal chants and tearing down flags. This is all well documented.

Tell me how the narrative might be different if, for example, Lazio ultras pulled up to a city for an away game and ran around being violently antisemitic in the face of Jewish residents.

So while some of the Israel fans burned flags and sang awful songs, that isn't the whole story either

I'm not aware if you meant to do this, but that comment could be understood to severely downplay some extremely hateful, aggressive and violent behaviour from the visiting fans.

No winners in this series of events, only twats.

Not denying the shit behaviour of some of the Israel fans. Police was at high alert and had to keep the peace. But not sure where I'm defending the Israel fans that rioted?

One Israel fan who was attacked and spoke to Dutch media did acknowledge some of the fans burned Palestine flags and sang horrible songs.

Assuming that person was just minding their own business not walking around with anti Palestine symbols, just trying to get to the hotel, not acting like an asshole then idk maybe it goes a bit far?

Unless the Israel fans are vastly problematic and cause shit everywhere. I don't know their general behaviour.

Cos then that person really needs to ask themselves the question of why are they hanging out with mostly problematic shits.

Ah yeah fair enough. Sorry my bad. It was more people got attacked just getting to the hotel from the subway exits.

First thing my son said was "the Israel fans rioted nobody mentioned that" (kinda true) I go on Dutch media and find out people just getting out of subway stations got attacked too. (not on media)

I have to assume those fans didn't lie and honestly just minded their own business.

Unless the Israel fans are vastly problematic and cause shit everywhere. I don't know their general behaviour.

Maccabi Tel Aviv in particular, are notoriously horrible cunts.

But my point is that it's disingenuous to downplay the Ultra's actions to try and "both sides" the situation, or – as a huge number of new outlets and politicians have done – suggest that the residents who took matters into their own hands had no right to defend their communities, and were in fact enacting premeditated acts of antisemitism.