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NYT is Pravda? FT is Pravda? WSJ (Murdoch owned) is Pravda? That's ridiculous. Propagandizing on the opinion side is one thing, wholesale manufacturing of alternate reality on the news side is something completely different.
We didn't have to wait long for a good example. The rioting by Israeli football fans in Amsterdam.
Tl;dr Mainstream media caught outright lying and completely distorting facts to fit a narrative, we only found out because social media exists and gives a voice to people who were actually there and know the facts. I don't believe they only started doing this when the Internet came along.
If you've not followed it, Owen Jones summarises what we know here:
https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/1855368416565383621?t=MpN5Kv_K_QIdoxF1ohfO6w&s=19
I don't claim to be an expert on Pravda but would welcome any evidence you have of anything they did that was this dishonest.
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I read about that incident in Dutch in Dutch news.
People were waiting for the Israel fans. They exited subway stations and were attacked by people who drive off on scooters.
It wasn't a conflict between fans, of course Dutch police was prepared for that. So while some of the Israel fans burned flags and sang awful songs, that isn't the whole story either.
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Tl;dr Mainstream media caught outright lying and completely distorting facts to fit a narrative, we only found out because social media exists and gives a voice to people who were actually there and know the facts. I don't believe they only started doing this when the Internet came along.
If you've not followed it, Owen Jones summarises what we know here:
I don't claim to be an expert on Pravda but would welcome any evidence you have of anything they did that was this dishonest.
Well neither am I, but Pravda was the official state media of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union from 1920-1990 or thereabouts. Just for the period prior to 1953, consider how they reported on the 800k executions, 1.7m deaths in the Gulags, or the 6m or so in the famine of the 1930s?
Comparing a bit of lazy reporting / politically biased spin about football violence seems jejune at best. Call it out for what it is, there's plenty of ammunition to criticize western institutions, media and otherwise, without making specious parallels.
JWestland
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NYT is Pravda? FT is Pravda? WSJ (Murdoch owned) is Pravda? That's ridiculous. Propagandizing on the opinion side is one thing, wholesale manufacturing of alternate reality on the news side is something completely different.
Do you think that Facebook disseminating news without any fact checking or recourse, with algorithms designed to enrage people is a better place? Is Joe Rogan (14.5m listeners) hosting JD Vance without a scintilla of fact checking or pushback on any of his view / positions an improvement?
I don't see it - Unless social media is held to the same standards as traditional media it will continue to eat trad media's face, engaging in only what is most profitable and advantageous to its owners. That's why I think the alliance of big tech and an autocratically minded administration is so corrosive.