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  • Mainstream media has told some whoppers over the years but it's hardly Pravda

    I disagree with that, I think mainstream media owned by oligarchs like murdoch is horrifically propagandised and new media actually opens things up a bit. Sure there are risks, but I think that, rather from coming to a bad place from a good one, we are coming to a bad place from a horrendous one.

  • NYT is Pravda? FT is Pravda? WSJ (Murdoch owned) is Pravda? That's ridiculous. Propagandizing on the opinion side is one thing, wholesale manufacturing of alternate reality on the news side is something completely different.

    Do you think that Facebook disseminating news without any fact checking or recourse, with algorithms designed to enrage people is a better place? Is Joe Rogan (14.5m listeners) hosting JD Vance without a scintilla of fact checking or pushback on any of his view / positions an improvement?

    I don't see it - Unless social media is held to the same standards as traditional media it will continue to eat trad media's face, engaging in only what is most profitable and advantageous to its owners. That's why I think the alliance of big tech and an autocratically minded administration is so corrosive.

  • NYT is Pravda? FT is Pravda? WSJ (Murdoch owned) is Pravda? That's ridiculous. Propagandizing on the opinion side is one thing, wholesale manufacturing of alternate reality on the news side is something completely different.

    We didn't have to wait long for a good example. The rioting by Israeli football fans in Amsterdam.

    Tl;dr Mainstream media caught outright lying and completely distorting facts to fit a narrative, we only found out because social media exists and gives a voice to people who were actually there and know the facts. I don't believe they only started doing this when the Internet came along.

    If you've not followed it, Owen Jones summarises what we know here:

    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/1855368416565383621?t=MpN5Kv_K_QIdoxF1ohfO6w&s=19

    I don't claim to be an expert on Pravda but would welcome any evidence you have of anything they did that was this dishonest.

  • NYT is Pravda? FT is Pravda? WSJ (Murdoch owned) is Pravda? That's ridiculous.

    New Statesman journo says that Sky News is Pravda!

    "This episode with Sky is quite similar to what used to happen in the old Soviet Union: you never saw the official censorship so clearly as when the censor screwed up and something was published by mistake, something so serious newspapers already on newstands had to be impounded"

    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/1855320040960045390?t=4_DVerARGR3yHZ9H6NsSWw&s=19

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