US Politics

Bernie Sanders (who would've won)

Just joshing (kinda)

IMO there is a fundamental misunderstanding not about what Real Left and Real Right is, but rather the fundamental orientation of the country. The UK and the US (the US more so now than when I left in the Bush Jnr years) are fundamentally conservative countries. I think it's the Left's delusion that we live in a liberal country run (or ran, whatever) by Conservatives. They are conservative countries run either by liberals or conservatives, depending on the era.

You have states like Missouri voting for the right to abortion and raising the minimum wage whilst increasing Trump's winning margin from 2020

I dont think you can hide behind the political illiteracy of Americans.

Framing Harris' Dems as "left" is just rancid RW narrative. Do you take them seriously when they talk about Marxists, Commies and Reds too?

If you're going to push your current candidate to their death, maybe have someone lined up who isn't a shoo-in for the same kind of hiding you got 4 years prior. Getting rid of Biden was an act of blind panic with zero strategy behind it. Not saying that retaining Biden would have been any better, but maybe someone in the party should have thought about this shit in advance given the stakes involved.

I think this is an important point. They massively blundered on trying to keep Biden strapped to his horse, El Cid style, when it was increasingly obvious to everyone that he was a decade past his sell by date.

What I read was that the family were keen to keep him going for the prestige and the brown envelopes, they kept the party away from him, and there wasn't a process for getting him to stand down.

That meant they were 6-12 months too late in switching, didn't have time to run a primary process, so were stuck with a weak candidate - who some people say Biden picked deliberately as his insurance policy against getting ousted.

It was still hers to lose. If she had had the courage or vision to disavow just a couple of Genocide Joe's policies, she probably could have done it. She said a few words early on, but most likely crumbled - in the face of what tbf was probably extreme pressure - to be continuity Biden, and sealed her fate.

It's true, we've bungled this in the past. Personally, I think animal populations are presently well maintained in Colorado, including our big cats.

I shared the ballot issue because it's an example of Democrats causing more expense to the government with no real effect on the moral aspect of the issue they were fighting for.

For anyone in the back hard of hearing. Further left is not of the left

This thread is almost as amusing as last night's NYT.

The left behind debate the future that never existed.

White, uneducated middle age men did it. The fact they and their offspring will suffer most when orange turd takes from them to give his super rich mates does not matter to them somehow.

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Why is it not a moral issue?

Think the argument is that from a conservation perspective it's better the state to hold the responsibility as it's generally centrally and democratically accountable – in terms of there is a clearer line of sight on policy and action/intervention. In my mind thats better than relying on civillians who are pretty much purely motivated by taking part in the blood sport rather than anything else.

What does 'further left is not of the left' mean?

It was over at my Electoral College post.

Going by the 1st 100 odd days they will saunter back in as labour are a shambles and juts like the tories.

American conservatives were making the "Cultural Marxism" argument long before Jordan Peterson gave it a name. It if isn't explcitly and loudly anti-commie, it's pro-commie because it let's the Reds sneak in, and therefor commie. So they often know they're labelling people as things they aren't, but see it as justified because the gutless libs are proxy communists. It's an ironclad way of thinking; you can point out that their target is not an actual communist as often as you like, because it doesn't matter.

a left candidate (Bernie Sanders (who would've won))

Lul wut

American exceptionalism is a joy to behold.. the NYT giving it large..

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Yes, but whether it's willful or not is irrelevant. Calling Harris' platform "left" is part of a similar problem of the american politcal prism where anything "liberal" or "progressive" is also commonly conflated as left

Bernie would've won is a popular 2016 meme, it's what we call a joke

Liberal and progressive are completely meaningless words in the context of politics. Word cloud vibey bullshit.

Preaching morality about who owns Ukraine is irrelevant. Ukraine might lose US support. That support is very unpopular with a lot of Americans. Without it Russia will continue to advance.
Slogans are not going to help.

Boris Johnson is more left than Richard Tice.

Politics is 90% word cloud vibey bullshit

Johnson is an invertebrate, he leans where the wind blows.

The 18-29 split there is wild, although I assume it's a split of votes cast, rather than all Americans of that age, but still pretty damning that even the youth weren't exactly sold on the Dems vibes

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That is one way of looking at it.

The other way to look at it is that Trump did better better among women, latinos, asians, and voters under 29 than he did in 2020. His vote share among men was pretty much flat on 2020.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2020

Blame the voters isn't usually a good strategy in politics.