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It had, the votes had been cast.

He won on economy and immigration, which were two of the most salient issues for voters per the exit polls.

When Biden stepped down, Harris was the only one who could legally take the funds already raised on the Biden/Harris ticket.

I'm shocked that Labour got so far with a similar message about not being the Tories. I expect that majority to thoroughly collapse in 2029.

Boris 2029

Musk in cabinet and RFK on health (if as rumoured) are going to be horrific (amongst everything else).

They've all been eaten.

Sad and dangerous result.

Wrong day to fight amongst ourselves but left never offers anything other than 'it will be better trust me bro' or broad philosophical concepts like 'democracy is at stake'.

Where as right offers tangible things like killing immigrants or invading other countries or denying climate change and delivers on it.

Anyway, who will Vance pick as his VP running mate in 2028 I wonder.

Probably Hulk Hogan

As if there will be an election in 2028

Funniest comment in this thread in a long while. Also the most sad.

I reckon Elon ..

The Tories will be enthusiastically blowing on Trumps balls

Just trying to understand the picture you're painting; could you clear up the ambiguity there?

What upsets me the most about Democrats is how center-right they are about economic and fiscal issues.

In my home state the Democrats have been fighting to lower property taxes but increase sales taxes. Then we, the citizens, complain about our social services being underfunded and our everyday costs being higher.

Wonder if he will give R J Kennedy the health job? no fluoride in water and a ban on vaccines..

This is where I think they've deluded themselves. They've gone left socially and right economically. Whereas the Republicans* are now doing the opposite.

*under Trumps current political direction such as it is. Obvs there's still a diversity of views.

Clinton also went for a broad church approach despite going hard against the right wing of the Republican party. She intentionally tried to appeal to an imaginary subset of Sensible Republicans. She, like Harris, is a classic centrist and can't help but try to appeal to both sides. Which means all they have is vibes, and can't really meaningfully appeal to anyone.

As a side note: Biden didn't step down, he was pushed. If you're going to push your current candidate to their death, maybe have someone lined up who isn't a shoo-in for the same kind of hiding you got 4 years prior. Getting rid of Biden was an act of blind panic with zero strategy behind it. Not saying that retaining Biden would have been any better, but maybe someone in the party should have thought about this shit in advance given the stakes involved.

too soon?

A group of conservationists also tried to ban the hunting of mountain lions which, if you love animals, sounds great. But if it had passed (which it didn't) would not have ended the practice. Instead of citizens paying the government for permits, the government would have had to do it themselves. Because regardless of what the people want, animal populations have to be maintained.

I know Federal politics is the main topic of the day, but some of the nuanced state politics stuff is super interesting / weird. Give a shout in the thread if your home state had any weird ballot measures.

Not saying that retaining Biden would have been any better

Not only would the election have been a complete and total walloping, the world wouldn’t have had a grace period where it seemed like a reasonable person could win the presidency.

Lets move on to compare results to 2016 pls.

The mythical american Dem left.

left never offers anything other than 'it will be better trust me bro'.

Really?

BBC has given WI and AK to Trump so that's 279 for him.

left never offers anything other than 'it will be better trust me bro' or broad philosophical concepts like 'democracy is at stake'

Gonna need to define left here. Because Harris certainly ain't left.

Not only would the election have been a complete and total walloping

Dunno if you're looking at the same results I'm looking at, but this looks like a complete and total walloping to me.