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  • No, whether or not his hand slid through, I would have thought there is definitely obstruction, but I'm not a baseball rules lawyer. Even if his hand did slide through, he might well have been out if Trevino applied the tag elsewhere.

    Ah, I've just found it. It turns out the rules are quite runner-unfriendly here, and of course I'm wrong.

    History of the rule

    In an attempt to place greater emphasis on player safety, the rule was adopted for the 2014 season. The change was made partially in response to a May 2011 collision at home plate that saw star catcher Buster Posey suffer a season-ending ankle injury.

    https://www.mlb.com/glossary/rules/collisions-at-home-plate

    So, his hand may well have got to the plate first, but I certainly can't tell whether it did, and I guess neither could the review team, in which case I think there's a presumption that the call on the field stands (due to lack of evidence to overturn it).

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    Yankees playing like they can't wait to get to the golf course.

  • Freeman's just hit another home run. In the first inning.

    https://www.mlb.com/gameday/775297/play/2

  • Yankee grand slam has livened it up

  • Yankees finally turned up to game!

  • Judge still slumping.

  • Hey! He got on base. Just need to adjust your expectations from an MVP-elect

  • Just watched the game 4 highlights on MLB YouTube, lovely that they still have the John Sterling inserts.

    Another fan interference episode, probably the most bizarre one I can remember seeing. And great we get at least one more game

    Maybe I’m getting old and sentimental but the stand up to cancer break was very well done.

  • Another fan interference episode, probably the most bizarre one I can remember seeing. And great we get at least one more game

    Fortunately pretty clear-cut, as Betts caught that ball, anyway. And completely ridiculous on the part of the 'fans'.

    The two fans who interfered with Mookie Betts during Game 4 of the World Series and ejected for “unacceptable physical contact” according to the Yankees will not be allowed back into the Yankee Stadium for Game 5, the team announced on Wednesday.

    https://www.mlb.com/news/fans-who-interfered-in-game-4-have-been-banned-by-yankees-for-game-5

  • He's a big man, he needs big expectations. :)

  • No commentary on Those Damn Dodgers?

    I don't like it when games are decided by errors, and NY had three.

    https://www.mlb.com/gameday/dodgers-vs-yankees/2024/10/30/775296/final/box

    This doesn't count as an error (I would have thought on the pitcher?), but was decisive. I don't know how errors are determined, though, and perhaps there isn't a category of 'fails to cover base':

    https://www.mlb.com/gameday/775296/play/41

    Anyway, LA was clearly better. See you all next season.

  • Half-decent turnout for the parade, and what looks uncannily like Earvin Johnson on one of the open-topped buses.

    https://www.mlb.com/news/dodgers-world-series-2024-parade-information

  • Definitely an error on the pitcher, Yankees pulled defeat from the jaws of victory.

  • So glad the dodgers got the win, don’t think I could have stood the yankees getting back from 3-0.
    Like the fact that their loss in game 5 was because of their own errors. Pitcher not covering first base is definitely an error, that’s his job on that play.
    Also nice that ohtani got a ring, kicks a lot of debate about his “greatness” into the sea.
    Going to be interesting to see what the yankees do in the off season to try and get back to the World Series. I for one have enjoyed the many different (multiple) winners of the World Series over the last 20 odd years, especially as the yankees haven’t won it since 2009.
    Long may it continue

  • Definitely an error on the pitcher

    Pitcher not covering first base is definitely an error

    Yes, but why is it not scored as one? Also, Cole allowed five runs, none of them earned. Betts reached first base from a pitch by Cole and later scored. There were no errors in the next two at-bats, a single by Freeman and a double by Teoscar Hernández. In what way was Betts not an earned run? I'm sure there's a reason, but I can't see it reflected in the scoring, and I don't know the answer.

    Surely for it not to have been earned would have required an error? But then, the error here would have to be on the pitcher, so while normally error-influenced runs are unearned if another fielder makes an error, does the pitcher get the run scored as unearned if he himself makes the error, not when pitching, but when fielding? Genuinely curious. Is it because it can't be said with certainty that Cole would have beaten Betts, who is fast, to first? I don't think that can be the reason, but apart from there not being an error category for failing to cover a base, I can't think of anything else right now.

    Baseball rules, don't you love them.

  • Wikipedia says:

    However, fans and analysts have questioned the usefulness and significance of errors as a metric for fielding skill. Notably, mental misjudgments, such as failure to cover a base or attempting a force out when such a play is not available, are not considered errors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_(baseball)#Statistical_significance

    So, that's part of the answer, although I find it odd that that's the convention.

    Still wondering why all runs against Cole were scored as unearned.

  • This is also interesting (from the same article):

    A more subtle, though more significant objection to the error, as sabermetricians have noted, is more conceptual. In order for a fielder to be charged with an error, he must have done something right by being in the correct place to be able to attempt the play. A poor fielder may "avoid" many errors simply by being unable to reach batted or thrown balls that a better fielder could successfully reach. Thus, it is possible that a poor fielder will have fewer errors than any fielder with higher expectancies.

    It seems to explain the convention that failure to cover a base is not an error—Cole wasn't in the right place, and therefore couldn't commit an error. Errors only seem to be concerned with being close to the ball.

    I think that needs to be changed, but I'm not an expert. I'm sure it's been discussed ad nauseam.

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