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That's the idea of a motorway, once you've overtaken, move left.
It's not unpredictable or dangerous, there should be some little orange lights at each corner of your vehicle, they're connected to a switch type device inside the vehicle, they let other users know what your intentions are, one might go as far to say that they are an indicator of your intentions.

Also, quite apart from your opinion of whether it is OK or not, it is literally the rule of the road, as defined in the Highway Code:

Rule 264

Keep in the left lane unless overtaking.

If you are overtaking, you should return to the left lane when it is safe to do so (see also Rules 267 and 268).

Which, along with the rule regarding not overtaking on the left, demonstrates the reduced capacity argument made above:

Rule 268

Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to
overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are
moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be
moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may
keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing
traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to
overtake.

As for the subjective argument regarding predictability, to my mind someone driving in accordance with the highway code is more 'predictable' than someone following their own set of heuristics for the best way to behave.

Note, the rules above are not the case in other countries, so it is always worth having a familiarity with the conventions that apply in the jurisdiction in which you are driving.

(Note, for context, the rules quoted above are specific to motorway driving. I make no comment on the rules for other roads, although I believe that the above also applies to dual carriageways and similar)

Do you mean people doing under 70 in the middle lane?

Yes. Where the inside lane(s) is (are) clear.

I've been doing a fair amount of weekend driving along the A3 between SW London and the edges of Surrey (many of my daughter's cricket and football fixtures are somewhere along this road) and the number of Middle Lane Owners Club drivers has definitely got 10 times worse in the last year or so.

If you feel it's magically safer for yourself to just sit in the middle lane please consider getting some more training or just handing your license in. Whatever reasons you have for doing it just remember that the majority of road users who know how to drive properly think you're a lazy useless selfish cunt.

By sitting in the middle lane you think you're doing nothing wrong and only increasing your own safety but you're massively decreasing the safety for everyone who now only has one lane to overtake you.

(I'm not sure whether it's laziness or the Dunning-Kruger effect.)

There's one that parks down 2nd house from the end of my road. House at the end has recently moved in with a giant white Range Rover and they keep blocking each other in. I enjoy it.

Today I hate courier companies. My Mason road bike has been 'lost'. Arse.

ISPs who, when called about slow access, say there's nothing wrong but mysteriously your downstream goes from 99mbps to 1gbps and they then deny doing anything to fix it.

As in the A3 with all those left hand sliplanes that disappeared off? And where every sliplane on spews forth a constant stream of new vehicles?

I used to drive up and down the A3 a lot and was a firm right hand lane only driver, but ime you'd be mad to lefthand lane the A3.

I can see that if you have no anticipation then it might be tricky driving along a road with ~8 junctions joining in ~20 miles.

(Speaking about going South-West from where it becomes a NSL after the Kingston Bypass turn off. So there is Esher, Painshill, M25 [Clusterfuck], Ockham, Wisley Starbucks, A247 and the Car Boot Sale, Guildford)

Maybe my memory is foggy but to me you've just presented a watertight argument for never entering the left hand lane until you're firmly over the hill and past that last Guilford slip road on.

I mean it might be worth moving over for the short stretch near the car boot before the first Guildford slip road off. But even then...🤷

I do obvs sympathise with the theory.

Nope, there's plenty of time between slip roads to move into the left hand lane. I don't seem to have any problem doing it when I drive down that part of the A3. Many of the drivers I encounter do.

I've got some sympathy with this. If I'm doing 70 in the middle lane then chances are I'm overtaking someone soon. Maybe not straight away but it will be happening at some point. I find a lot of those who pull left, then right 20 seconds later to overtake the next car are the ones that will happily pull out straight in front of you as they slowed down slightly in the left lane.

There's still another lane for those who want to "make progress" over the speed limit.

Pulling in for 5 seconds only to pull out again would be relatively pointless.

I'm talking about the people who sit in the middle lane with a mile (and therefore around 60s) of clear left hand lane ahead of them.

So the cut off for cuntery is somewhere between 5s and 60s in my book.

I find a lot of those who pull left, then right 20 seconds later to overtake the next car are the ones that will happily pull out straight in front of you as they slowed down slightly in the left lane.

Poor anticipation affects all kinds of drivers, it isn't just limited to those that sit in the middle lane regardless of the world around them.

Yeah sorry I didn’t mean it’s cool to just sit in the middle lane regardless, of course pull to the left if it’s totally clear. But usually if I pull to the left and then back out again, someone will be closing the gap at 85mph, when I could’ve stayed central for them to overtake to the right, oh my god this is so fucking boring,

20 seconds is about a third of a mile that’s a big distance to be sat out unnecessarily.

Also just because your Speedo says 70 doesn’t mean you’re doing 70, it could easily be less than 65. At that point you become the tosser doing 65 in the middle with an empty lane to your left.

Losing my Albion Burner that I've owned for years as it was one of the first ones from on here.

There's still another lane for those who want to "make progress" over the speed limit.

Lucky you cunts.

All this whinging about what sounds like paradise. 70mph, and in the middle lane, at that, on a road full of drivers who know to leave the right lane for overtakers! OMFG. You don't have a clue how good you've got it.

How about being forced to share the roads with a shower of such fuckwits that it's now far more likely than not, that some fuckstain turning right onto two lanes will prevent you turning left into that left lane, because now nearly every stupid fucking cunt with a 'license' (!) seems to think it's just fine to change lanes in the middle of a corner without even fucking indicating it. I'm not sure what brought this on, whether copying the behaviour of trucks or just sheer fucken laziness, but ten years ago it was totally grounds for tooting and now it's just. fucking. normal.

Deliver me from these fucking morons

Driving chat

Sorry more driving stuff.

When you're stuck behind someone someone doing 40pmh in a 50 or 60 zone, no not that as I can cope with that. Maybe they're a nervous driver,maybe just being cautious.

No, what I hate is when that same driver then continues doing 40mph all the way through a 30 or 20 mph zone. Then you know that the driver is just a cnut who should not be on the road.

I'm sure we've had this before. I may have posted it before, but - but people who get angry/grumpy/frustrated when the phone signal's bad. Dude, get over it! It's not my fault. It's not your fault. Just hang up and try again later. Sheesh!

I CAN'T HEAR YOU! THE SIGNAL'S TERRIBLE. WHY DO YOU SOUND LIKE YOU'RE DOWN A WELL?! WHAT'S GOING ON. WHY AM I SO ANGRY?!

boomer please...

trying to buy tickets for a gig my daughter wants to go to on her birthday next year
(tyler the creator)

got into a pre-sale ticket website which opened at 10am, and all of the standard tickets have already sold? only premium tickets at £200pp+ left.

was there a pre-pre-sale? or is this just how buying tickets work nowadays and i'm just old?
is there a chance that i might get a standard ticket (£70) when they go on general sale tomorrow if i get in early enough?

is this just how buying tickets work nowadays and i'm just old?

Yes, there's zero clarity on where tickets go, but there's all sorts of early access before the presale, The last few gigs I've been to all the standard tickets were instantly sold out on the pre sale.

is there a chance that i might get a standard ticket (£70) when they go on general sale tomorrow if i get in early enough?

Impossible to know. Buying tickets for gigs fucking sucks these days but it's the only way they make money now so it's never going to get better.

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