• Objectively, the only way to know whether or not humans can be anything other than destructive consumerists would be to try various ways of not being that. And if it could be conclusively shown that this had failed because it would always fail, the biggest value of there having been people who saw great value in proclaiming from the start that this was alway going to be the case would be that we'd know who to eat first, as we watched all the other food sources disappearing.

  • Objectively, the only way to know whether or not humans can be anything other than destructive consumerists would be to try various ways of not being that.

    We managed it for a hundred thousand or a few million years, depending on how you count it... The trick is how to come up with a sustainable way forwards which includes agriculture and industry.

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