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@greytyke
Excellent and lively discussion, Kimmo and Slippers. You are both correct, sadly, in affirming that argument and discussion never changed anyone's mind. Only lived experience can do this. Perhaps this will start to happen soon, on a practical level with the failure of both political parties. The Tories f***ed up, no
doubt Labour will follow. Ridding ourselves of these two zombie parties may prove to be a start.