The fall of the Tory party

Immigration … has the biggest negative impact on working class voters in post industrial areas.

Citation needed

a crystal sharp focus on RE

We could definitely all do with a bit more spirituality in our lives ;)

I think the economy is still number 1

The use of the phrase "cost of living" rather than inflation

They're not the same are they though?

Inflation is when a coffee costs more or birch ply is so expensive you sapel your kitchen cabinets instead.

Cost of living is when a family with two working parents is struggling to get through the month.

Jenrick rejects claim he has privately told Tory MPs he will pivot back to centre if he becomes leader

So he definitely privately told Tory MPs he will pivot back to centre if he becomes leader then.

He told his minions to tell Tory MPs...

I see that Sir Michael Case is promoting #semiforkemi - surely there’s one for pornographers friend Honest Bob?

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WH Smith’s Milton Keynes station

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Two party politics is a weird illusion of democracy, the idea that we need a left wing and a right wing party and somehow their bickering will allow a moderate centre ground to be achieved is fucking fallacious.

Party politics full stop is an illusion of democracy; parties are effectively just cartel gangs jockeying for control of the ability to sell everyone out, while more or less merely pretending to stand for something.

Even the Greens will devolve into a scam once they become large and mainstream; parties are the perfect vehicle for the ruling class to destroy democracy while maintaining an empty facade of it. The Greens will be infiltrated as soon as they matter, and be saddled with a right faction as if it has any business there, like with Labo(u)r.

The only way for representative democracy to represent the collective interest rather than special interests is for people to swear off parties and insist on independents, who can't hide behind a party line or be unduly influenced by a party structure. They're there to try and cooperate with all the other independents - every vote should be a conscience vote.

Excellent

And how will anything get done?

When campaigning on the doorstep for the election more often than not immigration was the number 1 issue. I put this down to it being forced fed to people through the Tory stop the boats/Rwanda/Bibby Stockholm bollox that was turbo charged in the right wing rags.
People had been brainwashed into thinking illegal immigration was the root cause of all problems as it distracted from the failings of Govt.

From the perspective of "it would be good to have a rational, strong opposition to hold the government to account" the wide-spread acceptance on the right of a false narrative is bad, as it drives them further away from the electorate as they get ever more shrill about it.

But maybe that in of itself is a myth with FPTP and our modern media landscape, and having Reform and the Tories howling at the moon about immigration as the voters continue to prioritise other things may give political space for the Greens and the Lib-Dems to develop into a sane centre-right block. I think Reform will always have adherents, but they're at or about at their current limit in terms of vote share per the polls, and said voters will likely reliably vote for whoever is the most openly racist - rather than an actual analysis of policies, so fuck them.

Lol, could be in the fiction section too.

but they're at or about at their current limit in terms of vote share per the polls

I think we've got to be careful about assumptions like these.

I definitely think the media overblow Reform, given they're basically where UKIP were. However, while Farage is charismatic to a certain audience his appeal feels like it has an age limit.

In Europe you've seen a youth move to the right. Get a young charismatic leader X no change in youth mobility X disinfranchisment of young men and I think we've got a clear risk.

I agree- hence the use of “current”. I do think that putting cunts like the slave trafficking ex kick-boxer in jail (can’t remember his name, his brother is a cunt as well) will help if that helps young men see that the pair of them are failures.

Tate bros.

Get a young charismatic leader

e.g. Jordan Bardella?

It amuses me that hegemony is being discussed on the Tory thread.

And how will anything get done?

Maybe it shouldn't? Ever noticed how something like 98% of human activity is an atrocity of one sort of another?

98% of human activity isn't reported in the news at all, probably including 98% of parliamentary activity unless you're reading Hansard and keeping up with all the committees.

Maybe atrocities make up 98% of what gets reported, and that you notice and retain, but that says more about what grabs your attention than it does about what is happening.

I thought this raises some good points, especially about Badenoch.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/13/kemi-badenoch-tory-leadership-contest-labour

Jenrick is on absolute fire today

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How fucking creepy does mogg look?

Would it have killed them to give him similar levels of photochopery?... Or maybe they did and he still looks undead.