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  • Why do people always assume the meaningful opposition to Labour have to be a party on the right? I think it’d be great if our two main parties were Greens and Labour.

    It feels as the right have got more extreme Labour has moved in that direction too.

    Two party politics is a weird illusion of democracy, the idea that we need a left wing and a right wing party and somehow their bickering will allow a moderate centre ground to be achieved is fucking fallacious.

    This wasn’t really aimed @Grumpy_Git I just hit reply to their post.

  • Two party politics is a weird illusion of democracy, the idea that we need a left wing and a right wing party and somehow their bickering will allow a moderate centre ground to be achieved is fucking fallacious.

    Party politics full stop is an illusion of democracy; parties are effectively just cartel gangs jockeying for control of the ability to sell everyone out, while more or less merely pretending to stand for something.

    Even the Greens will devolve into a scam once they become large and mainstream; parties are the perfect vehicle for the ruling class to destroy democracy while maintaining an empty facade of it. The Greens will be infiltrated as soon as they matter, and be saddled with a right faction as if it has any business there, like with Labo(u)r.

    The only way for representative democracy to represent the collective interest rather than special interests is for people to swear off parties and insist on independents, who can't hide behind a party line or be unduly influenced by a party structure. They're there to try and cooperate with all the other independents - every vote should be a conscience vote.

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