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So he's selling himself out and it's not even a proper job?

I'd have respected him more if he'd just fucked off to Saudi with the other money grabbers.

Lol wat

I was on board with the facepalm at Klopp going to RB, but how on earth is it worse than going to Saudi? Get a grip.

I think Red Bull are worse for football than the Saudi league, which essentially seems to have failed as a project.

I don't think Saudi Arabia and its associated human rights abuses are less bad than a drink, but I think getting on board with something which is actually ruining football is worse than going to play in a shit league for the money.

Genuine question, I clearly don't follow closely enough, but why are red bull so bad?

Genuine question, I clearly don't follow closely enough, but why are red bull so bad?

The 50+1 ownership rule is the bedrock of German football clubs. Every club allow fans to become members, RBL subverted it by only allowing a small number of Red Bull employees to become members. Plus the whole buying another club, moving it, buying promotion etc.

Red Bull started its footballing enterprise when it bought Austria Salzburg in 2005. “The big problem was that there was a traditional club with a fanbase and their own colour,” says Alexander Huber of the Austrian newspaper Kurier Sport. “It was violet, purple. Red Bull came and, at first, everybody thought it would be a good match. After a short time, it became clear that they were going to change everything — the name, the colour — and the fans had a massive problem with that.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5529385/2024/06/07/red-bull-leeds-leipzig-salzburg/

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Yeah, allowing sovereign nations to own football clubs definitely isn’t having any deleterious effects on the game, and the Saudi league isn’t going to fuck things up by inflating prices / wages and draining talent at a younger and younger age.

And it’s not “going to play in a shit league for money”, it’s actively engaging in sportswashing for an authoritarian regime that has no compunctions with murder / torture / etc. The two can’t be separated.

They started off the multi club model that is absolutely killing football at the moment.

They may not be the shittest of owners out there right now but they significantly contributed to enabling all those shit owners.

They've showed no shame, they are actively trying to fuck football more for their commercial interests.

Like Henderson with his LGBTQ ally stuff, when the big bucks come in the principles are set aside.

Please point out where I suggested

sovereign nations to own football clubs definitely isn’t having any deleterious effects on the game

Obviously it is. Sovereign nations plus the multi club model (e.g. the City Group) is even worse.

I think the Saudi League ship has already sailed, and it's no longer going to be as attractive as it was in 2023, any more than the MLS is.

I'm probably going to stop explaining what you're wilfully misunderstanding soon, but my comment on Klopp is mainly that he's not even following the crowd in doing something that is obviously bad (sportswashing, selling out), he's actually deciding to give his blessing and the remains of his credibility to something a bit more original but also highly damaging to football.

I'm surprised at the surprise. Multi-millionaire joins incredibly well funded football franchise in a high value, low stress, well paid consultancy role.

What did people think he was going to do - take the manager's job at Forest Green Rovers for minimum wage?

Looking forward to the fist pumps to the home end after the Brazilian feeder club are relegated into obscurity following an insipid draw.

Where are we on the Lee Carsley rollercoaster then, after last night's failed experiment?

Cheers for the context. Seems of a different moral magnitude to the various managers taking the petro-state dollar, but we all draw our own lines in the sand I guess.

Funny that his first action in the new job may well be to sack his old mate Pep Lijnders.

Play padel in Spain, before taking the Germany job.

Also you seem to be missing the point, unless of course you thought Klopp wasn’t quite as likeable as most, if so working for the Red Bull group isn’t a massive surprise, no.

all the major signs that he was actually just a massive wanker were right.

Was it ever in doubt though? Unless you wear heavily red tinted glasses the way he used the media to deflect and shift blame, pressured referees and used interviews to make up shit headlines that the papers would lap up of course because liverpool should have left anyone in no doubt I'd have thought

No one cares but the whoppers (and their yellow counterparts in Deutschland, obvs). Also, Ingerland? Zzzzzz...

I mean, looking at this thread that's appreciably not true is it?

🎣so easy

It sounds like, and I didn't watch or anything, PSG selection tactics were in play.

Neymar, Mbappe, and Messi? WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

Accrington Stanley surely

When Robert de Niro played for East Fife

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The Times are reporting that Tuchel has agreed to be the next England boss.

Brilliant news. Eric Dier in.