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This bit of the post from the other page;
How fucking obvious does it have to be before the penal system is seen as the vast net detriment it actually is? Are people really that fearful and easily turned against each other?
Why is it so hard for us to see who we really need to turn against?
I recognise that there are a lot of problems with our current system, so I'm curious about what the progressive answer is to what I'd say has been my most common experience of crime.
And honestly, sure it's something that does illicit a reactionary gut response. But the question stands.
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Bollocks it does. This started with a miscarriage of justice, Kimmo went all Jacobin and Eat the Rich, and I was actually trying to talk them down, only for you to steam in from the opposite direction all Kelvin MacKenzie. I was only talking about benefit cheats, but apparently I'm trying to make excuses for GBH I shudder to think what monstrous crimes you'd accuse me of condoning if I'd mentioned that, until very recently, we were imprisoning people for not paying their license fee: paedophilia? Mass murder?
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I'm curious about what the progressive answer is to what I'd say has been my most common experience of crime
I’ve been punched in the face for shits and giggles by a guy pretending to be an aeroplane, just while walking down the street. Not a great experience, despite it actually being quite funny in retrospect, but generally there are reasons for this behaviour.
You could lock the guy up to protect others, or you could do a number of other things which dissuade him from doing it again. Maybe compulsory therapy, fines, anger management, community service, a violence register with various consequences in the public realm, and I’m sure there are lots of other methods too.
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what I'd say has been my most common experience of crime.
Your most common direct experience of crime. We all experience, every day, the indirect effects of a society where workers are illegally expoited, driving down wages, industrial scale fraud and tax evasion squeeze public services, and the behaviour of the super rich entrenches health and social inequalities, maintaining the existence of an underclass with poor health and economic outcomes, placing further strain on public services, and creating the conditions for the anti-social behaviour and petty crime you have described. Locking people up is expensive and makes them worse.
itsbruce
slippers
William.
Where did that come from? Seems an odd tangent from the miscarriage of justice that started this conversation. A bit reactionary, even.