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Anyway, you've got fools who believe in nonsense like intelligent design, they're not some kind of enemy per se, they may well be very decent people otherwise who are able to discuss all sorts with you, they may well be idiot arseholes. The liars are the definite arseholes who couldn't give a shit about things like intelligent design or whatever other nonsense, but latch onto those points and exploit the people who do. They'll gladly lie about what they believe to endear themselves to certain people, then lie about anything else to grift their way to power and money. Happens with US (and other) politicians, evangelical pastors, cult leaders and radicalising arseholes of many types all across the globe. Discussing things with them is difficult because they don't believe what they're saying but have to say it to gain or keep sway over people who do.