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It reads like you think you have given a definitive list of "facts" which are true and unarguable. But Imo you've highlighted the weakness in your argument.
- intelligent design - this is a belief system. I assume you're talking about teaching it as science, but people who believe in it are not lying. The ones I've met have strong faith and this gives them a more rational basis on which to believe the creation story.
- climate science - agree.
- WMDs - good e.g. of why it's not necessarily 'lying'. A lot of that story is characterised by exaggeration and confirmation bias.
- Covid is a hoax - agree, but a lot of skeptics are on a scale and I think you can debate depending on where on that scale. And some points aren't lying - was it an accidental leak from a lab? Having a view on that doesn't strike me as lying, and TBH how any questions around that were shut down makes me uncomfortable.
- performative cruelty to vulnerable people will fix society - unsure what that means? Millions of people watch the early rounds of X Factor and professional fighting. I mean it's not a solution to fuel poverty, but it is pretty inate to most societies.
- intelligent design - this is a belief system. I assume you're talking about teaching it as science, but people who believe in it are not lying. The ones I've met have strong faith and this gives them a more rational basis on which to believe the creation story.
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I should have been more explicit…
Intelligent Design is a falsehood. To say ah well it’s this idiot’s belief system therefore we must give it as much credence as peer-reviewed science and have a debate is patronising the idiot and damaging scientific study.
WMDs it was quickly established there were no WMDs. Blair holding up a printout of a pdf* that was from a forged document. Was a lie.
*the yellowcake pdf was the first result when you googled WMD in Iraq evidence about 6 months before Blair waved it around. By the time Tony was basing an invasion on it, it was virtually a meme
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In theory this is great, but when one side is out and out lying: intelligent design, climate science isn’t true, WMDs in Iraq, Covid is a hoax, performative cruelty to vulnerable people will fix society…discussion as if the other side has a point is conceding and validation of fantasy