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If you do replace with single glazed, you can always add secondary glazing. We did this even after adding the new sash and case windows because we were on a busy road. They made a huge difference and were unnoticeable once we had some blinds up.

*bought it

That's heartening and depressing at the same time. It's great that you managed to achieve it, but that it's so arbitrary what makes it get over the line is crazy.

I've realised I just haven't got it in me and too much life stuff going on to spend time on a Kafkan side quest. Glad you made it through though!

Thanks

@EstelleGetty In my case I think the biggest hurdle is that they are multi-panel sashes. The slimline "heritage" double glazing design I've asked for is a single 12mm think panel made to look like individual sashes. Otherwise the design is matched in the dimension of windows bars and design of mouldings.

YMMV and I really hope it does as I know how crazy and backwards the planning (namely conservation officer) process can be.

Most local authorities will not want and will resist stick on glazing bars to replicate the multi pane design of each sash, and instead want to retain a through glazing/window bar with individual panes. The overall typical width of historic slender glazing bars (~14mm) does not allow for the realities of individual double glazed units being in depth/strength of bar for standard double glazed units, or width of bar to cover slimline double glazed unit seals. I have unsuccessful arguments with conservation officers for window bar width increase of 4-6mm as an example of the painful conversations!

We tried to demonstrate that one sash was non-original as it was 15mm too thin to fit in the frame properly (hence the breeze throughout winter), but it would take more effort to prove it I guess.

I am sure you can argue this, or easily justify the need to make amends to that frame/unit. You will get permission (money back guarantee financial advice etc.) to overhaul each unit replacing seals/brushes which would also improve the general leakiness. Depending on how long you see yourself in that property, a high performing single glazed unit with minimal staff bead mounted secondary glazing system will get you down to or even better a double glazed unit but is not cheap. Secondary glazing to your existing setup would be less invasive and also make a huge improvement.

It's also a listed building on a crescent of Grade 2* listed buildings which along with the above makes it the full monty of listedness status.

Good luck and may the odds be in your favour.

“single 12mm think panel made to look like individual sashes. Otherwise the design is matched in the dimension of windows bars and design of mouldings.”

This is probably the straw that broke the camel’s back.
That’s a huge trigger when it comes to replacing glazing when dealing with heritage buildings because it always looks terrible.
That and not having ‘flush sash’ when replacing steel with aluminium.
It’s the details that matter!

https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/68232698/

That bathroom is a bit plain

That's brilliant

Vendors have been sectioned; kids taken into care. Right?

£179k? is Rhyll a nice place? what’s the truffle crisps/sourdough/natural wine availability?

Last I heard, it's a shithole. And I'd want £5k knocking off for all the basecoats of paint those walls will need.

I appreciate that the estate agent writing the listing has leant right into it.

is Rhyll a nice place?

no

@andos That is the best achievable outcome it seems yeah.

@EstelleGetty @Mr_Smyth To be honest, the main issue is finding good tradespeople to do the work. I was largely stuck with whatever the small number of available companies are willing to do. Consequently the only double glazed option on the table was the mock-multi-pane design which I agree isn't ideal compared to the other possible options suggested here.

The gripe is that this could all be spelled out by the planning offices to save all this bullshit. I suspect they will have to in the not to distant future if sustainable housing policy ever really kicks in.

I'm also somewhat wedded to double glazing because of noise issues with the property but I'm pretty much done with the place now.

Is that Jimmy saviles old gaff?

If noise is an issue then secondary glazing will be a big help and mitigate the noise even more than double glazing if you can have a minimum 10cm gap and glass of a different thickness than the outside pane, so 4mm old glass and 6mm secondary, it’s all about the length of the sound waves and how they get disrupted.
we have it with a big gap and while sound wasn’t a massive issue you really notice the difference in the background noise it cuts out.

Current discussion has added some great real life examples to the risks of that house in post #61419

It’s like the climate crisis folk and the old boys in planning don’t talk to each other

Had a look on their website and quelle surprise

Brighton & Hove declared a climate and biodiversity emergency in December 2018.

Fucking ridiculous but this is Britain where how your house looks is apparently more important than how it performs.

Yes this kinda thing. Those seem expensive for what they are, but then all of these one box solution PNP white plastic home devices are massively over priced for what you get, its just standard now unfortunately.

Being in court proceedings and having a legal geeza basically just wave their hand at your evidence as 'well thats not worth anything' when anyone could clearly identify the perp as the person in the footage without doubt, literally just because there is some kind of mad precedent for 'wide angle cctv being of dubious quality'. Essentially learned if you want to rob a bank, don't destroy the cameras or block their feed, just put wide angle adapters on them, and then plead 'wasn't me mate', and you'll probably be fine*

*This is legal advise, but I'm guy on the internet, so do with this information as you will.

Nice you got up there!

Seen it done before as a temporary measure to get through winter...... cement backer board for showers wrapped in breathable roof felt over/tucked in the stones, to get the walls to dry out and confirm if thats where the water was coming from (can take months to really get dry).

For permant have seen folk wrap them in Grade 5+ lead or lay underneath.

Tap the render as far as you can reach, any hollow spots just get whole thing done, cost of scaff will be higher than the render, even if its lime or harled (Scottish style). Good render does 20- 40 years service. There is that new 1 bag silicon (?) stuff thats meant for new properties but there are variants you can use on old, in UK no one really uses it outside of extremely exposed areas (West coast of Scotland on new custom houses its the number 1 product) but very easy to work with compared to traditional materials. Have done a few chimneys and one small (30m2) gable been impressed.

I think a ‘heritage statement’ from the architect would probably suffice if just dealing with window renovations.

‘Located in a sought after area of Rhyl’
A fairytale.

Had some left over Amtico from when we got the ground floor done so I thought I’d have a go at putting it down in one of the toilets.

Feeling quite pleased with my efforts…I only had 2 colours left so could not keep it in the same colour pattern, but still managed a passable herringbone.

1st photo is how the pros do it…

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Looks good. Does that flooring go underneath the toilet pan or round it? I want to have a new floor in my downstairs loo, but don't want to have to lift up the sink or toilet.

Round it....The pan is bolted to the floor...there is then ply on top of the floorboards and then self levelling on top of that. I was not in the mood to start ripping everything up. When the pro's did it they took the pan up from the downstairs loo, then put down self levelling and the Amtico. Previously we just had crappy Lino, hence the ply already there.