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@Greenbank well, then...

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Holy shit, that Neil Kulkarni bloke sure can dish out some trenchant criticism, bravo.

I was always pretty meh about Oasis, but now that I've taken in that epic shitcanning, I concur with Neil; he's crystallised my opinion of them, a bit like when a supercooled liquid instantly freezes in response to a slight disturbance.

Does he do political commentary? He's great!

He very suddenly passed away this year at only 51. I went down the rabbit hole reading his obituary's and discovered there's a Go Fund Me page for his family which was worth a donation.

ps. You must read his review of The Enemy which was brutal.

I sort of agree, but I can't work out who he's referring to, other than Oasis, when he talks about them being indicative of the 90s as a whole.

I thought it was whole britpop lad/ladette culture that Neil was railing against.

Possibly, I think the whole Loaded culture was pretty blokish, but it didn't feel like the music as a whole was lacking in subtlety or intelligence. Oasis (to me) just seemed to be a particularly dull band compared to almost everyone else.

Verve Kasabian…

I'm not enough of a muso to know what you're implying.

Dull retrogressive bands big in the 90s

I guess other eg would be hip hop, rnb, drum 'n bass, jungle, nu-metal, lots of rock in relation to masculinity.

Other than boy bands (and I'm sure subsets of dance music I wasn't into) my memory of most stuff was very masculine.

That Woodstock' 99 doc really accurately summed up a big part of the scene of that era. Or at least my recollection.

Verve’s first two albums good. Then it became a Richard Ashcroft solo vehicle for Urban Hymns.

Yes. The thing about Neil is that although he was unafraid to give stuff that he thought deserved it both barrels with no apologies he was also capable of testing himself, changing his mind and admitting that he had been wrong. Mainly though - he just absolutely loved musicand was devstratingly insightful and fucking funny with it.

I honestly don't think of the coat-downs when I think about his writing or his time on the amazing Chart Music podcast. https://chartmusiccouk.wordpress.com/

This is great: Neil's guide to being a critic.
https://kaptainkulk.medium.com/the-neil-kulkarni-10-point-guide-to-being-a-music-critic-3c1780b678cb

Kasabian's debut album was 2004.

Sounds like he might of been into it before it was cool.

I think Neil Kulkarni and Simon Price both misinterpret Oasis and the era.

Daniel Rachel's book Don't Look Back In Anger is a great read on the nineties, which was essentially a period of post-modern optimism and hope. The idea that it was just regressive lads into Oasis at the time is wrong.

Then again, maybe being a teenager in the north west in that era makes me biased.

They just feel like a 2nd generation oasis clone, an impersonation of a tribute act. I thought they formed in the 90s but am not really very interested in dirge pub rock.

I understand there are a bunch of people who were too old to get Oasis on here the first time round, and that is fine.

Kasabian's debut album has some half decent stuff on it, they were playing around with samples and synths, was more like Campag Velocet to my ears.

They then sacked the samples/synths guy started hanging around with the Gallaghers and turned into bombastic cod Rock with all the attendant clichés

I am not sure I consider dog whistle racism and homophobia progressive.

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Heh - don't get me wrong, I don't believe there's anything definitive or right or wrong about anyone's experience of any cutural phenomenon like that and don't for one second think that my lens on it is universal. It was just refreshing and exhilerating for me to read NK's take-down which happened to chime with mine having lived through it and hated it. I totally get that others will have had totally different xperiences.

I was talking to mate about it yesterday. I didn't have him down as a fan - he's more of British Sea Power/Lost Map/Green Man vibe dude - and he was explaining the exitement he felt at being around early Oasis gigs. I'm not here to gatekeep anyone's taste.

I'm not here to gatekeep anyone's taste

Are you sure you are on the right forum?

It's just not there in the music, though.

'94 when Liam could still sing and hadn't quite fully developed the Lennon/Lydon sneer they were brilliant live IMO.

Always had you down as a Blur kinda guy....

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If we are making a list of the most objectionable musicians from the nineties, then everyone needs to form a queue behind the guy in the middle here.