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  • many western countries have secret courts overseeing national security issues

    We have that in the UK. I've had jobs in the past where if I did the wrong thing I could in theory find myself charged with a crime where I would be tried in a closed court which I wasn't allowed in and my representation would be by a lawyer I hadn't chosen who wouldn't be able to discuss the details with me. Buried somewhere in Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000.

  • See Snowden stuff - USA spying on all its citizens and was "allowed to" because some secret court said "yeah no worries fellas, have at it".

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