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Despite Musk being a cunt etc that sort of efficiency is why I'm wondering about a used Model 3 to replace the almost fucked current leaf.

Yeah, I'd have a hard time buying a new Tesla with Elon increasing his cunty behaviour but used values are great and he won't see a penny so fill your boots.

I have to say, as much as I like Teslas, it’s something that would put me off owning one. Do you not constantly get people making comments and feeling like they have to express their opinion of Musk?

No one has ever come up to me and talked to me about my car. 🤷‍♂️

Footway channel for electric vehicle charging on the roadside in Enfield

https://www.enfield.gov.uk/services/roads-and-transport/footway-channel-for-electric-vehicle-charging-on-the-roadside

£108 to ask for one. £1251 install, £93 a year after that. Ouch.

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None of those prices seem outrageous to me, it's all increased infrastructure which will need people to maintain going forward, not to mention the liability the council needs to take on if they cause an accident by being poorly maintained.

I look forward to the increase in neighbourly parking spot wars they'll induce though.

I look forward to the increase in neighbourly parking spot wars they'll induce though.

100%. But I’m PAYING for the space outside MY house. The positive I see from this is that Lewisham might actually repair the pavement outside my home if they brought this here and I signed up to it.

9" angle grinder a chisel and a free afternoon

Those prices are total bonkers.

Other than that, I like it.

All assuming that someone else doesn't park in that space.

Seems pretty reasonable. There's been a lot of generous subsidies on electric cars which are mainly benefitting the better off. Given how cash strapped councils are then something like this shouldn't really be heavily discounted.

Parking will be entertaining though as others have said. We probably manage to park outside our house 1 week in 4 at the moment.

Councils, at least in London, can designate an area of road outsde a residential property, as reserved for the disabled driver resident.
I have no idea of there is existing legislation that would allow a dedicated 'EV Charging' mark within a parking space outside your property.

Parking will be entertaining though as others have said. We probably manage to park outside our house 1 week in 4 at the moment.

How often will most people be recharging? There'll be some heavy use commuters, but most will only need charging every few weeks I would have thought.

I find the prices really interesting.

It's that classic thing of initially thinking "what a rip off", then once you start to break it down in terms of the associated admin time, safely closing the footpath, insuring there's nothing liable to damage, two workers, etc. you see how it mounts up.

It's a perfect illustration of why despite economies of scale some tasks cost the State more because of their obligations.

Whereas most people are thinking that any random with a circular saw and a couple of hours could bang that in for £250.

Love to see it.

As others have said, you won't need to park and charge outside your house every night. Even then, running a longer cable along the gutter to reach a space or two along would be fine.

Anything that encourages people to switch to transport that emits fewer localised emissions is a good thing.

Anything that encourages people to switch to transport that emits fewer localised emissions is a good thing.

Is it? What's the impact of encouraging people to buy shiny, new electric cars instead of using public transport, bikes, etc?

Shifting to cycling, public transport are included in my original sentiment, and obvs vastly more preferable to proliferating new EVs.

But the type of consumer that would consider one of these expensive cable gullies is likely to already have driving woven tightly into their lives, and if the option of getting one installed is the tipping point for them to switch to an EV and stop spewing so many particulates into kids' lungs, then that is a win imo.

But it's only the relatively rich that buy the electric cars and it seems mostly so they can drive into places with LEZ rules. So, you've got the same amount of cars which means the people still driving internal combustion cars are still pumping out the same old shite coz they're stuck in the same traffic as always because there's no attempt to reduce car journeys. Like, where's my subsidy for an e-bike instead of car ffs? Why am I dodgy cables on MY footpaths now? It's just shifted some of the problem.

Has been a measurable improvement in air quality due to electric car use?

I've seen a version of those gulleys that had a rotating locking metal cover running the length of the pavement that would be way better than those rubber flaps.

Someone on my street has installed an outdoor 3 pin socket with waterproofed locking covers and just run a plastic cable cover across the pavement to granny charge their BMW (of course!) all day every day as far as I can tell.

Has been a measurable improvement in air quality due to electric car use?

It's an interesting question. ULEZ and ULEZ+ have improved air quality (although ULEZ+ had less of an impact).

I keep hearing on local groups of our neighbours driving more once they got an EV as it's 'so cheap' to run. EV's aren't exactly the solution wanted in London.

Need to push some cost on somewhere. Roll on pay per mile.

Yeah, but that's a reduction in polluting traffic rather than an introduction of electric. I guess it's hard to eliminate that factor.

Yeah, great isn't it? So, more car journeys instead of fewer and if only small percent are electric it still just means all the petrol cars are sitting there pumping shit into the air.

Basically not an emissions solution at all so far as I can tell.

Then you have the impacts from extra weight of cars on roads, the building of NEW cars, the mining of the lithium, etc...

Any good sources of insurance for an ev? Specialist firms etc. looks like many are group 50 which makes it very spendy even for an old git with years of ncb etc.

Realistically those people probably don't need to pay for that gully then, they could just use on-street chargers if their usage is so low.

Plus people are already weird and entitled about cars and parking spots. I can only imagine that getting worse when someone has paid for something.