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Anti vaxers farage Lgbt refugees the pandemic deniers basically all the same c##ts

https://open.substack.com/pub/liverpoolpost/p/the-enemies-within-how-the-pandemic?r=2pqbin&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

Looks like some local councils will be evicting tenants involved in rioting according to the Indy this morning. It just keeps getting funnier.

I'm not sure if it's funnier, it only serves to push people further away. Empathy and education are needed, not the stick.

While prison sentences might seem just, community service (for those victim) and compulsory education would perhaps be wiser.

It’s nothing new

https://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2011/aug/10/council-seeks-eviction-for-looters

Yeah this. I'm especially glad that there are consequences for those stirring things up online - but SYL for instance, or Farage, are unlikely to face any real repercussions so I would prefer if we tried to educate people (c.f. Starmer thread)

Exactly.

Don't think so - this was our local 'demo' in Pompey. The immigration centre that they were 'targeting' was closed so the motorway was the closest thing they could interfere with instead.

Are these sentences completely within the guidelines?

i've read a few articles assessing the spectrum of views on a) motivation and b) societal / govt response.

depending on the context and socioeconomic make up of the rioters, they may be "scum" or "unheard voices".

the range of proffered responses may be anything from long term imprisonment, deportation, removal of rights to education, communication, regeneration, social investment etc.

there is a third view which says "some people enjoy rioting and it does not necessarily have a political motivation".

The concept of unhoming people for unrelated crimes is abhorrent.

100x this.

We’ve tried empathy and education for years. It’s a waste of time.

"some people enjoy rioting and it does not necessarily have a political motivation".

They enjoy causing violent disruption and chaos without feeling any negative consequences. Some of them are merely disaffected and can respond to education, others have more complex situations that need more drastic intervention (prison).

Everyone’s got something going on internally, but not all of us act out by joining a riot.

We’ve tried empathy and education for years. It’s a waste of time.

There has been no empathy or education for years, cunts are chatting shit and rightly getting banged up, but the idea you can just do this to everyone who has been exploited by far right views is farcical. Empathy and education is 100% what needs to happen going forward to avoid deepening entrenched views or pushing more people towards them.

This is s really good piece.

We’ve tried empathy and education for years. It’s a waste of time.

Have we though?

We've chronically under invested in deprived areas, over the last 40 years, reduced the quality of education at the altar of chasing exam results, and given free reign to the far right pushing their opinions in the media.

I don't condone the individuals response but I can understand why those communities are frustrated

I think we have tried to educate. Don’t mistake cunts not listening for education not being offered.

Agreed - shows (among other things) just how appropriate the Farage riots tag really is.

7 of the 10 most deprived areas in England have witnessed riots in the past 10 days.
12 out of the 23 local authorities where violence erupted are in the top decile for deprivation, suggesting a relationship between pockets of poverty and unrest

“These are often communities that are already socio-economically deprived, and have high unemployment, which can contribute to a sense that there is competition for scant resources,” said Rob McNeil, deputy director of the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford.

Far-right riots centred on England’s deprivation hotspots

https://www.ft.com/content/c8317b53-ce27-42fc-bd67-59f9ac9267c9

I agree that these riots are the result of wider failures in society. From the riot videos, photos and mug shots, you see people who have been chewed up and spat out by neo-liberalism.

They have been led down the garden path by political rhetoric, and now feel that politicians don't do anything for them. Their analysis (that their problems are caused by immigrants) is wrong, but that doesn't mean they don't have problems.

Bin arson lady is 34, been in care, 5 kids.

Empathy and education for who? Not disagreeing just want to understand your point more.

No problem - debate/discussion is good.

I’ll concede it’s a stretch, but I think there’s lots of empathy for people in dire situations - you only have to look in here at LFGSS members, most are openly empathetic and those who come across curmudgeonly (looks at shoes) are deep down empathetic people. I think that can be extrapolated to wider society: most people are good at heart.

But fair - it’s the state that needs to be empathetic and there’s room for improvement!

Education - well it’s free in this country, for starters. And then, I can’t speak for others but can’t be the only one, but any time I hear some bollocks about a minority group being to blame for society’s ills - rather than a decade of neglect by the state - I offer an alternative (read: correct) view and try to educate.

I can’t be the only person who does this.

Some will listen; some will not; some will riot at the first opportunity.

Unless we’re talking at cross purposes?

It is for antisocial crime to the community, standard eviction terms.

So it's ok?