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Why are the police not breaking up these riots?

What? and arrest friends and family?

Just put it on one fucking website and give me an official document that I can use to prove to the bank who I am and where I live

The simpler and easier it is, the simpler and easier identity theft is...

Which ironically I had multiples of because there was no way to reset a password so whenever you forgot it you had to register again.

Because they are massively outnumbered by violent thugs versus peaceful protesters. If they arrest people at the time, it takes limited resource away from the front line. They are arresting people the following day and will continue to arrest people. It's more like the 2011 riots where people were being arrested days, weeks and months later, it's all being filmed, all the social media content is being collected and all the phone location data will be collected. They have already had to move to 24 hour courts to start processing people. Lots of lawyers on Twitter basically saying if you attend, you should expect a knock at the door in the coming days, Starmer went hard after rioters in 2011 as DDP and you'd expect him to again, no bail, custodial sentence as every opportunity.

From the outside, having gone from Gov Gateway, to briefly being forced to share my information with a commercial third party in the name of "competition", only to return to Gateway a couple of years later, yeah I can't say the idea fills me with joy

I don't really understand what back office savings there are to be made unless you see the Id replacing all other forms? In France national id exists but you still have passports, driving licences, social security, tax number etc. I can't get an ID card yet so I use an online service that uses my health card for online authentication.

Must be bad when even the Daily Mail is turning against you...

Arresting people takes police away from the front line. You either need to put them somewhere with police to watch them or transport them to the police station which again takes police.

They'll try to contain them and limit the damage but actually wading in and arresting people there and then is going to be limited.

Plus they are also aware that if they wade in they are more likely to get twatted with a brick at these protests compared to the Sarah Everard vigil and Just Stop Oil.

I can't say the idea fills me with joy

That's because you're not an overpriced tech contractor. We were paying £600-900 a day for people on the previous programme. I assume the current one is paying similar if not more (I'm not there any more - sold my soul to finance).

Sad to see Graham Thorpe has passed at only 55.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/gallery/2024/aug/05/graham-thorpe-a-life-in-pictures

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/aug/05/narco-folly-inside-the-crumbling-honduras-zoo-built-by-drug-cartel-money-joya-grande-cachiros-cartel

No you aren't missing anything.

I go further, so the just oil lot got 2 years while the people doing this, costing more and more damage and possible injury to people. Doubt we will see a similar reaction.

Given the prison space and all that, I suggest the fascist rioters get a stay on the bibby stockholm. I'm sure they approve of its use.

Could we also agree to send them all to Rwanda when the Stockholm fills up?

Nah, the Bibby solution would create a fascist university. Split them up around the cruddiest jails in the land and make them wear bugger all except stockings and suspenders. And I did mean 'bugger'.

Send the racists to Africa?
Seems like a learning experience.

Maybe better without the gay panic trope.

Having ID would allow for much greater monitoring and control of immigration. The Tories never had a clear idea of how many immigrants were in the country because they'd put the kibosh on New Labour's ID card plans with the assistance of the Lib Dems way back when.

Having spent some time living in France and Spain, I can't say that having to carry ID would make me overly concerned. And I think if we had had ID cards then we probably wouldn't have gotten to Brexit. Given the choice again, think I'd much rather ID cards and technocratic tinkering with immigration numbers than performative nastiness by right-wing politicians morphing into actual physical nastiness in the street like we've seen the last few days.

Yes. One ID system to replace birth certificate, NI, drivers licence, NHS number, tax system, hell even education/UCAS.

The only one I can't see it replacing would be passports which I assume have an international standard as they all seem similar in format.

You just apply for the bit you need to be added to the profile, so no drivers licence before 17.

If it's just an id card added to the options you end up back at "we need a single bottom bracket standard, there are now 11 bottom bracket standards"

I think ours, that closed during Covid, is now being knocked down and having flats built on it.

If it's just an id card added to the options you end up back at "we need a single bottom bracket standard, there are now 11 bottom bracket standards"

Obligatory:

https://xkcd.com/927/

This is bullshit. The Tories knew exactly how many people were coming to the UK, as they were issuing visas for them to come. They also can count the number of people who’d arrived and claimed asylum.

ID cards wouldn’t help any of this.

Deputy Mayor of Jerusalem

https://x.com/arieh_king/status/1820166661711827058

Hi. Prior to 2021 I believe they didn’t have a handle on how many EU citizens had exercised the right to free moment and were resident, which put successive governments on the back foot responding to right wing arguments that there was too much strain on public services because of immigrants from Eastern Europe.

Obviously ID cards can’t undo Brexit retrospectively, but I wonder if it would have happened if we had had them from the early 00s.

And you’re entirely correct that for the last 3 years almost all immigration has been under the visa regime and will have been tracked, and the right to remain process should have documented most of the EU residents still here. So the argument for them isn’t as strong now. But I think I wanted to contribute to the discussion by positing that they can be helpful in protecting things we like.

Fuck all to do with funding cuts and austerity....then the blame them tactic.

I deleted two paragraphs, but hey you had to show an identity card/passport to get here easy to note who left and who stayed.