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I don't think I've missed the point and I haven't said we should opt into an ID system, I think there's plenty of valid reasons for not having compulsory ID but I also think the cart has bolted on some of the others.

But yeah, make your little patronising comment. You do you.

And the question of choice ? For example, in have no google accounts nor meta accounts.

There's a perceived level of choice but considering most of the things online are using services from Google, Microsoft, meta or Amazon at the backend, most of your data is passing through them whether you like it or not.

Not saying you can't opt out of everything but I don't think it's practical for most people in their day to day lives.

I did add an etc in there (also birth certificates) , I was just making the point that we don't need a compulsory ID to get access to anything we can't get access to with all the other forms we have now.

To be fair I think the amount of people who could say they'd have no problem producing a birth cert as ID would be lower than both passport & driving licences! I haven't a clue where mine is.

Honestly I have no strong feelings either way, I always have my driving licence on my and my passport is always nearby. No idea what the work involved would be but in theory the idea of something like an NI card that was also a photo ID doesn't seem like a terrible idea.

I'm living in Ireland these days and we've got something called a Public Services Card which is a government-issued photo ID. It's not mandatory, but I think it's a good thing for people to have an option to have access to a useful photo ID that isn't a driving licence or passport.

I'm not looking for consistency with fasch arguments and I always expect their hatred for forruns to trump everything.

Valid point

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not after an argument, I can see this seems to have descended into several conflicts of opinion already. Just stating my viewpoint on the matter and am happy to hear that of others

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I haven't a clue where mine is.

That's fine, you (or anyone else) can order it online for £12.50 if you know where to look on the registry.

Honestly I have no strong feelings either way, I always have my driving licence on my and my passport is always nearby

Same, I see pros and cons, I just think there are problems when it's compulsory and the police can demand it whenever they want.

I'm in France now and I'll get one when I've got citizenship, they just make things easier. Everything is already so centralised over here it won't make a difference.

Make it optional and I'm good

But yeah, make your little patronising comment. You do you.

I’m not the person positing the ‘laughing’ meme at my initial point, though, am I?

Viewed uncharitably that could be perceived as a little patronising

Make it optional and I'm good

There is an argument that it will start as optional but then there is a change in plan, perhaps a change in government, and it becomes mandatory to have then to carry etc. Perhaps via routes other than primary legislation so avoiding much in the way of democratic oversight.

OK fuck that

Fair point, perhaps Tom was too much, but the right to be forgotten pretty much only stops you from being found on search engines, there are so many caveats in the legislation as to why a company would need to keep your info even if you've requested it's deletion that it's rarely actually happening.

Plus most of the time you won't even know who has your data in the first place.

I don't get why you guys so focused on the card itself. The issue at hand must surely be the lack of a central registry of all UK citizens? Plenty of countries have created such a database without forcing a physical card on anybody.

Sad state of affairs it's got to this

right to be forgotten pretty much only stops you from being found on search engines,

Well, initially yes, but then GDPR enshrines it and takes it further. Cloud providers and their tenants (well, the ones you might do business with if you were serious about privacy) are pretty serious on compliance.
Those that aren’t are mostly too incompetent to worry about.

Governments… when they want to come after you…not so much.

What about the potential to reduce the back office costs to manage just a single identity card rather than many.
If it's got a digital aspect then any changes you make would be free or in pennies and done online in seconds

Having worked on digital identity in government all I can really say is it's an expensive shitshow. The latest attempt is called OneLogin.

Single sign in at a large place my son is a developer in = get someone in the team to set about sorting g it out

Single sign in where I work but still not sorted (Imprevata I think is called) = a seven figure sum.

Hate to think what a digital id card would cost ….

I think what I'd like to understand is a clear articulating of; 1) the current issues with not having ID cards, and 2) in what ways ID cards solve those issues.

Illegal immigration for example. If an ID card combines your NI card and Visa info, then if a search is done on workers in a business I assume police can immediately verify if workers are working illegally and take action against the employer / deport people with lapsed visas.

It can't however, create a joined up immigration system which properly records entry and identify people who've evaded boarder control.

What have we become? I’m so fucking ashamed of us.

Apparently play shit games, win shit prizes

My irony meter just exploded.

Cheers daily mail, son's crying.

rep

chat shit. get banged, fuck around and find out. etc. etc.

love to see it tbh

I’ve just seen a video on social media of rioters setting fire to a hotel housing migrants in Tamworth. The police are present, in full riot gear, and do nothing at all. They are just standing there as it’s happening.

Why are the police not breaking up these riots? It’s shocking compared to police response at the Sarah Everand vigil and with Just Stop Oil protests.

(I’m currently working in the USA so trying to follow the news back home but not sure if I’m missing some parts as to what’s going on).