That Starmer fella...

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branwen in reply to @slippers

If Starmer's project is bureaucratic and managerial about growth alone—and it seems to be—then these forces don't seem like they're going away.

Obviously race played a factor, but Obama > Trump pretty clearly shows the perils of being technically competent but not managing to win hearts and minds

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t-v in reply to @branwen

Obviously race played a factor

Perhaps this is nit-pciking, but how did race play a factor in Trump beating Hilary Clinton? Obama was a two-term president beating white opponents in both elections, and he probably would beat Trump even now if he could stand for a third term.

This despite the fact he didn't really change the status quo.

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branwen in reply to @t-v

Obama was a strong enough candidate to overcome the bias but once you had an "average" candidate in Hillary, the bias to the right showed - although I'm sure there were other factors also

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