General Election 2024

Fuck what ever Tony Blair says he's a cunt.

Yeah, that fuckstain is a disingenuous scumbag who significantly eroded international decorum by going along with Dubya. Fuck him with a brick. Belongs in jail along with that cunt John Howard.

Well, my principal objection was to "rather than making more laws", which really hasn't been true for decades. The lack of respect for the actual law has taken a bit longer to develop, although the seeds were there in the 80s.

Imo it is a fantastic indicator of how unconservative Johnson's government was.

Unconservative in the old sense, but full of rabid Thatcherites (the only people left in the party who were still willing to work with Johnson). Before Thatcher, the Conservative party had been largely suspicious of ideology; she was an ideologue, and the fight between her ideological followers and the old pragmatists has been one of the principal themes of the last four and a half decades. Which @greentricky described succinctly.

Good point. I guess I probably incorrectly imagine figures like Jonathan Sumption.

Lots of fun background detail in this story of the Conservative campaign, including all the special advisors being screwed by the early election as they didn't hit two years of employment and qualify for a pension and extra severance pay.

https://www.politico.eu/article/tory-election-campaign-timeline-rishi-sunak-conservative-party-uk-election/

Surely depriving civil servants of pensions gives every Tory a raging hard on.

It's a beautiful punctuation to the Sunak saga. Playing a bad hand appallingly, is an excellent summation.

Also enjoyed

“Launching the first attack by shooting yourself in the head doesn’t look so clever,” said one experienced strategist.

did you see this thread on the “efficiency” canard ?
https://x.com/_SRTLW/status/1810293439604404364

Interesting. I looked at all seats as a block, not as a ranked list.

Definitely agree with this!

"In lieu of any hacks actually doing their fucking job"

I'm not sure if it's a time thing or not, but been really little actual analysis. Academics and polling firms will be on it eventually.

Seems like a load of bollocks, forcing the data to fit his conclusions (he clearly hates Starmer from a 2 second glance at the profile) rather than the other way around.

In summary, the idea that Labour succeeded in consciously targeting increasing their vote in constituencies where the smallest increases were needed to win or successfully defend seats is demonstrably untrue.

He is using raw vote count in each seat which is precisely not what vote efficiency is about. The Labour strategy was to increase vote share in target seats at the cost of losing some Labour voters in safe seats. No one cares if you get 36 trillion votes if you get 200 seats; it only matters that you beat the Tories by 1 vote in enough seats to win a majority.

I checked the top 10 of his list and every one of them swung to Labour. He calls 9 out of 10 of them "a loss". At that point I gave up

https://nitter.poast.org/_SRTLW

For the non twitterati and ex-Xers

This graph tells you all you need to know about "vote efficiency" https://www.lfgss.com/comments/17446581/

Blue arrows point right, red arrows point left. It's pretty simple.

I've not read the thread, but be you're right about raw counts if that's the case.

But you're wrong about the the arrow plot. That's as meaningless for similar reasons.

But as Tories surely they approve of minimal Labour laws to give employers the agility to respond to market forces?

But you're wrong about the the arrow plot. That's as meaningless for similar reasons.

I mean, it illustrates the vote efficiency strategy. It doesn't explain every facet of the whole election, sure

A lot of quite sensible and encouraging ministerial appointments, especially in the junior roles.

It's made me realise that even a disappointing Labour party is streets ahead of any Conservatives.

Perhaps some things will get slightly better, just not all the things that need to and not at the rate that they could.

Agreed some people with experience of areas they are appointed to. Quite novel huh.

Things will take a substantial period of time to improve. Increased budgets will help but there are lots of deeper issues in many sectors.
Although not sure how you’d measure at the rate they could?

What's Emily Thornberry done wrong?

You seem to be forgetting what Corbyn would have done. And you aren't being tribal enough about how you want it and you want it now.

Stop being so realistic and reasonable.

called him boring 😂

yep, but then there's Kendall on DWP which is 😬

I realised yesterday that a forum OG was part of her campaign....

You can play your very own where's wally game:

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i see you worncleat ^^
well done sir

Does Mrs O know that her husband is co-habitating with their local MP?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0020c2f

Munya Chawawa savage takedown of Rishi Sunak. broadcast pre election.