General Election 2024

Not convinced about some of those sources

go on

As in you want a genuine critic? I genuinely think the first two are self-evident.

When you drill down into the pinknews one, while there is some unclear messaging, there is a really clear attempt to take the toxicity out of the debate.

I'm unsure of what the Guardian one evidences either way.

As in you want a genuine critic?

yeah. the first was just reporting what he said in an interview with the times

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/06/25/keir-starmer-trans-education-general-election-2024/

the second is reporting on what he said in an itv interview. the video is in the next tweet

https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1785292666470555780?t=BPFRpx8zztbdIyswJzOaWQ&s=19

Keir Starmer, who was previously applauded for condemning Rishi Sunak’s anti-trans ‘jokes’, has stated his opposition to the teaching of so-called “gender ideology” – a phrase which is widely considered an anti-trans dogwhistle

He said he wants to meet with JK Rowling. The fuck for? Why not meet with Glinner or KJK while you're at it.

The last was an indication of Duffield(plenty of evidence of this, very easy to find) being garbage and a prominent now minister being more concerned with civility or what the fuck ever than the harm that the rhetoric of people like Duffield cause actual people.

But if I'm honest I'm not entirely sure you were ever really open to being convinced otherwise so 🤷

Made me chuckle, thanks.

What this article ignores (and many the replies here) is that exactly the same happened to the Lib Dems. They achieved their highest ever number of seats with zero change in their vote.

I guess that means the Lib Dems masterminded a perfect campaign too, everything down to storyboarding which prat fall Ed Davey would do in each constituency.

John Curtis spelled it out for us, the Tory vote was split in half by abstinence and Reform, and both Labour and the Lib Dems cleaned up their respective 2nd place seats.

Most of the gains remain marginals. They have the luxury of completely ignoring that for a 5 years, but hopefully they use that time to actually build on it.

Having been mind-blown the barmy Bollywood version of Memento, this really looks like the barmy Bollywood version of The Ring, which I am totally there for.

Haha

What would the result have been if we had whatever form of PR is proposed?

If you take the votes at face value, likely the same as would have happened in 2017 and 2019, a progressive coalition.

There are a few polls kicking around that have asked who people would vote for in a PR setup and it’s been much the same, but with a higher proportion of greens and Lib Dems.

(Reform votes stay the same, weirdly)

Hell yeah, Wales! Congrats on your severe idiot shortage.

Might wanna consider reaching for independence from all those English bootlickers and fash...

Approximately:

Lab 219
Con 154
Ref 93
LD 79
Grn 44
Snp 16
Ind 13
Oth 32

FTPT works really well to maintain a 2 party system.

He said he wants to meet with JK cause historically she’s been a massive Labour donor.

So perhaps there'd be a workable coalition of Lab + LD + Grn? 342 seats, a decent majority.

Its fantastic. She had this “you had one job to do” look on her face, I’d be worried for my life if I was him. The BSL interpreter was the icing on the cake, so much ooomph in his performance.

More like, have a bet each way on the issue, trying to be all things to all voters. Possibly even intending to keep redirecting oxygen away from substantive non-confected issues like inequality and government capture (quite the beige euphemism for systemic corruption, that).

Perhaps it's a strategy to bring the transphobes into the fold and take them on a journey, but Starmer is right wing Labor. If right wing Labour is anything to go by though, don't hold your breath... Murdoch sets the agenda here and there.

It's strong vibes over here of a determination to maintain business as usual while saying whatever it takes to placate the growing unrest. Continued growth of corporate profits seems to maintain top priority on a dying planet, because... reasons

Continued growth of corporate profits seems to maintain top priority on a dying planet, because... reasons

isn't late stage capitalism a wonderful thing

she's also a colossal fucking bigot.

If someone has said what she'd said about Jewish people, people of colour, gay or lesbian folk or people with a disability I'm not sure he'd be so accommodating to them tbh

History won't let me assume LD would snuggle up to Lab...

It would change the shape of government though, and I feel for the better.

Do you think those who elected him engage with their MP?

This isn’t snide, I mean % of the population who engage with their MP must be pretty small and even smaller meaningful outcome from doing so.

I'm interested to see how Starmer gets on now. He seems to have been elected by dint of not being a Tory (see below) and that means people may not actually have paid too much attention to what the policies are.

If we're doubly optimistic and suggest that:

1. He's hidden his more radical ideas to appear "electable" and now he has a mandate and majority to do as he wants, and
   
2. The Tories will be tearing themselves apart trying to find a new leader and cope with Reform
   
   

It could mean his support actually grows in office, and becomes more popular.

The changes from 2019 to now show just how swayable voters are, and majorities mean less than they used to, so it's really important to build up the support base so good things might actually happen.

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From everything I've read recently around the Cass Report one thing I know for sure is that I don't have the knowledge to make an informed judgement on it.

I think the points @chickenbones made are fair to be honest, but I still think if you separate rhetoric from policy Labour is actually pretty sensible and now the driver for all the transphobia and culture war shit (the Tory government) is gone I hope it will become increasingly supportive of trans people. If it doesn't it will be one of the issues that could see me defect to the Greens if I'm honest.

The Cass Review is difficult though. It's supposed to be an evidence based report. It's hard for sensible politicians to oppose evidence based material and generally we don't want them to do that because it means prioritising ideology over logic.

However, while I haven't read the report, my impression is that it's not exactly trans friendly. It has been characterised by some as having serious failings around methodology, science, and potential bias.

It's a difficult one because if Starmer threw an 'evidence based report' on trans stuff in the bin the Mail would have a field day.

He's hidden his more radical ideas to appear "electable"

It could mean his support actually grows in office, and becomes more popular.

These two points do not compute. The people of Britain don't want radical ideas, they've made that pretty clear. If Starmer starts introducing radical policies he'll get less popular and lose the next election so why would he do that?

I mean, have you seen the people of Britain? A lot of them are shaped like potatoes. The average man in the UK only walks half a mile a day. Betwixt house, office and retail park there's not much space for radical socialism.

The people of Britain don't want radical ideas

Have they?

I think all the evidence is that they want the government to be more radical; to address climate change by moving to renewables, to focus on nature and the environment to stop it being trashed and to level set the economy so that everyone can benefit from it, not just a rich elite.