General Election 2024

Eet's-a me! Angela!

the lack of a centre right. In answer to your question of who to vote for who would be traditionally small c conservative the closest answer is the Lib Dem’s.

Stop trying to talk me out of voting tactically, arguably there to the left of Labour on a lot of issues.

But the music is French? Is it a beret? Should she have onions?

It's not Terry's - it's mine

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Shame they didn’t record it so we could have had an updated version of this.

https://youtu.be/3Lyex2tSUyA?si=t1DCEt4CfnthH8s3

Yeah, and the flag is French too, but they're so inept they've made her look more like Mario, who everyone loves and would, if elected, probably give us all mushrooms that make us fly. So, massive fail.

This is just noise.

Do you think it amounts to unwarranted Starmer-bashing by socialists at the Guardian?

if elected, probably give us all mushrooms that make us fly

Best manifesto so far

I'd hate to be like the French with their short working weeks, low retirement age and good unemployment rights.

Have any view you want, but if it objectively supports racists, ableists, and war mongerers, then prepare to get called out on it.

This isn't supposed to be a, "wank off people who are actively trying to ruin the country scenario", it's a "call them out" scenario.

The sort of people who volunteer to attend a TV politics debate are in absolutely no way representative of 'the people'

Even less so when they've been deliberately stratified to be 50% labour supporters and 50% conservative at a time when labour are polling 40% and the tories 20%.

Fair, you don't think trust and confidence in politics is low right now? Perhaps I'm wrong in my belief.

Of course it is, rightly so after the last 14 years

But that by far the largest group of people in the country appear to be about to vote for a straight-down-the-middle, sensible-if-stolid Labour party, does not suggest that they are looking to extremists as the answer.

15-20% of the country do indeed appear to be about to vote for a mad old racist, but I don't think you can tar 'the people' with that brush

I didn't say any of that though, maybe you misread?

I took you as defending this point, with reference to the TV debate audience

NONE of the political parties represent what typical people want - am I wrong ?
The only vote that will shake up the system into something that listens to the people is a strong "non of the above" voice, and that appears to be Reform

Patriotic Curriculum: Reform UK aims to introduce a curriculum that emphasizes British heritage, ensuring balanced teaching on topics like imperialism and slavery by including non-European perspectives.

This seems surprising (unless it means Russian).

But that by far the largest group of people in the country appear to be about to vote for a straight-down-the-middle, sensible-if-stolid Labour party, does not suggest that they are looking to extremists as the answer.

15-20% of the country do indeed appear to be about to vote for a mad old racist, but I don't think you can tar 'the people' with that brush

I don't believe the majority see extremists as the answer but the majority voting Labour isn't an endorsement that Starmerism is what the majority want is it? And more a product of our crap two party system and one of the parties being rubbish for 14 years and any other vote viewed as wasted

Was listening to the Rest is Politics. Alistair Campbell said he was speaking at an event yesterday, obviously for people who follow politics, but when asked only a handful of them said they would watch the debate last night on TV, let alone be an audience member.

How have all these bets become public knowledge?

You might want to look at the latest Electoral Calculus prediction:
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?seat=Tonbridge

Ok, I wasn't doing that, my bad.

The Gambling commission is told if any red flags are picked up by betting companies such as known Politically Exposed Persons being identified on betting on political issues or where there is unusual betting activity in a particular area, but yeah, someone must have leaked it!

First few would have been grassed up from people who have some kind of morals.

Now I think people are owning up as they know they'll just get found out or grassed up eventually anyway.

This is it. The reason people are disillusioned with politics is largely due to the last 14 years of shit government and Brexit.

It's hard to argue against Labour being New Labour MKII, but with less charisma. Therefore, if it's accepted that Blair was too far to the right to get into Thatcher's first cabinet, then Labour is centre right. Votes come from the centre, which is the broadest representation of public political will. The UK was last prosperous under Blair, which is what most of the electorate want.

I deplore the drift of politics to the right, but the election of Starmer and the electoral annihilation of the Tories and Reform is at least a step in the right (or left) direction.