General Election 2024

Referring to 21C Tories and Reform UK as socially conservative is massively undercooking it.

Personally it’s because the headline policies from both parties are performative cruelty. For anyone who isn’t heavily into the details on politics, these will be the policies they’re ok with.

Maybe if there’s other more nuanced policies ok housing or healthcare that someone could point as being the reason they’d chose reform or the tories then people would be less inclined to ridicule.

challenges the status quo

Reform voters think that Farage and Tice are anti-establishment. In fact they are as establishment as its possible to be

I'm surprised so many of the political compasses didn't come out more authoritarian as a lot of people seem to be against people having views different from thiers

I was disappointed that they all came out similar.

Can hear a resounding echo bouncing from wall to lufgus wall frowning out any external sound.

Young Gren should be welcomed and challenged

You are identifying an issue- the lack of a centre right. In answer to your question of who to vote for who would be traditionally small c conservative the closest answer is the Lib Dem’s. Voting for the tories or Reform isn’t a vote for the centre, no matter what Andrew Neill et al pretend.

But- and this is I think key - as long as we let people maintain the fiction that the current Tory party are centre right the longer it will be before we actually see a party comfortably occupy that space.

As I said earlier, I welcome other voices. But to vote for Reform in order to shake things up as a protest vote is to a) ignore all that they stand for and b) exactly what fucked us over with Brexit. Which is, of course, what Farage wants. They have no policies outside of immigration, no experience or even desire to actually run the country properly, they just want to continue the (so far ridiculously successful) pull of the country to the right (while riding the personal gravy trains).
However, politics does need re-setting, in particular after the last 14 years. I'd be more than happy to get rid of FPTP, reform the Lords and if that means a few Farage types as MPs it also means more Greens etc as a balance. I can understand why someone might want to register a vote to move in that direction even though personally I find it abhorrent to give that vote to Farage.

There's a string of false equivalences here.

to oppose everything that challenges the status quo and keeps us locked in a two party system that isn't working

Reform UK isn't "everything that challenges the status quo". Opposing it doesn't even mean opposing its entire manifesto; if somebody finds its anti-immigrant and anti-"woke" culture war policies repellent, Reform UK's position on reforming the House of Lords is irrelevant.

a lot of people seem to be against people having views different from thiers

Alternatively,a lot of people with a range of views of their own are unified in objecting to one specific viewpoint, because it's repellent enough for a lot of people to be disgusted by it. A lot of people hating Reform UK's position isn't authoritarianism.

I get the bashing of Tice and Farage as they are a negative influence on politics

You can't separate Reform UK from them. It has one MP (and only that one for the last three months), so the words and antics of the leadership are most of what amounts to substance for the party.

Have any view you want, but if it objectively supports racists, ableists, and war mongerers, then prepare to get called out on it.

This isn't supposed to be a, "wank off people who are actively trying to ruin the country scenario", it's a "call them out" scenario.